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Where to draw the line

 
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Apr 02, 2014 19:40 |  #106

You didn't answer my question ;) So are they all going to share equally in the success of the company?

If not then they are just employees doing the job they were hired to do. They aren't owners/investors with a powerful incentive to do whatever is necessary to make the company a success nor are they indentured servants there to do whatever you want.


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Apr 02, 2014 19:58 |  #107

Sorry, let me be more direct. No they will not get a portion of the business. If one of them is interested in buying it I may entertain that. You are right they are not owners / investors (they have taken no risk) which is why they would not benefit from the sale. The incentive in making the business succeed is having a place to work. I understand ever Wednesday as I write their paychecks that they are not indentured servants.


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Apr 02, 2014 20:20 |  #108

The incentive is to be paid a fair amount for the job they were employed to do. The one which they saw advertised. Any employer looking to get people to do work well beyond the scope of that advertisement is taking advantage of the employee and also misreperesented the position when advertising it. If someone has a bucketload of unrelated skillsets as the OP does they should be paid accordingly if then undertaking that work. Granted the company may be able to negotiate a discounted rate but they should certainty not get it for free.

In my book they can renegotiate a contract for the employee to do the work, they could hire a third party to do it... or if they got shirty the employee could just find another employer who valued their skillset as it ahould be valued.

The employee has no vested interest in being taken advantage of... their incentive is to be paid a fair rate.


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Apr 02, 2014 20:43 |  #109
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As far as I see it, there are only two issues that needed to be resolved:

1. Use of personal equipment when used for the company needs to be realized and properly accounted for.

2. Work on the OP's own time doing post work needs to be either paid out properly or somehow compensated for.

All this dribble about job descriptions and not hired for this position is just that dribble. Would you really rather sit everyday, day in and day out doing only what you were hired for till you kick the bucket, or do you want to expand your worth to the company, be flexible in what you can do and possibly grow within the company.

If you want to live inncubicle 23 forever, make it difficult for the company to see your expanded value for the company. If you are a go getter, jump at opportunities as they present themselves...you'd be amazed where open doors will lead...right past cubicle 23.




  
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Apr 02, 2014 20:46 |  #110

Hogloff wrote in post #16805549 (external link)
As far as I see it, there are only two issues that needed to be resolved:

1. Use of personal equipment when used for the company needs to be realized and properly accounted for.

2. Work on the OP's own time doing post work needs to be either paid out properly or somehow compensated for.

All this dribble about job descriptions and not hired for this position is just that dribble. Would you really rather sit everyday, day in and day out doing only what you were hired for till you kick the bucket, or do you want to expand your worth to the company, be flexible in what you can do and possibly grow within the company.

If you want to live inncubicle 23 forever, make it difficult for the company to see your expanded value for the company. If you are a go getter, jump at opportunities as they present themselves...you'd be amazed where open doors will lead...right past cubicle 23.

Very well put.


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Apr 02, 2014 21:33 as a reply to  @ Northwoods Bill's post |  #111

DAMMIT! I've been in cubicle 21 all this time.



  
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Apr 02, 2014 23:35 |  #112

I'm already in cubicle 24 and I don't even have to share a stapler.


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Apr 02, 2014 23:38 |  #113

Expand your worth... I.e. move to another company that pays you properly for what you do and gives you your own office.


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Apr 02, 2014 23:39 |  #114

As far as whether I want to do the same thing day in and day out...that's up to me not my employer. If I want an odd jobs job I'd apply for an odd jobs job. If I want repetitive I'd apply for repetitive. I wouldn't apply for one job if I really wanted another. I can find my own creative outlet if I want...you know...hobbies...perso​nal photography.

What I don't want is the job I applied for being pulled out and another one put in its place, at random, and extra load added without compensation just because I'm good at it and make if LOOK easy.

"Be thankful you have a job."

How about being thankful you have good employees who respect themselves and want to do what they were hired to do? We as business owners are always b1tching about how hard it is to find qualified help. Let your qualified help do their danged job and have some time for family left over.


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Apr 02, 2014 23:53 |  #115

One problem I see with some posts is the confusion between being hard working, and being over worked.

I'm all for doing the best I can do at what I was hired to do. Heck I'm that guy who works so hard he pisses everyone else off because it makes them look bad. That's not the same as being treated as a paid slave. And no I won't clean your toilets for the good of the team. I'll clean my own toilets for the good of my team but if I can't, I'll hire a maid. I'm not going to make my accountant do it. The maid applies for the job knowing she will be cleaning. The accountant applies for his job knowing he will be reminding me I couldn't really afford that maid.


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Apr 03, 2014 00:08 |  #116

cdifoto wrote in post #16805924 (external link)
One problem I see with some posts is the confusion between being hard working, and being over worked.

I'm all for doing the best I can do at what I was hired to do. Heck I'm that guy who works so hard he pisses everyone else off because it makes them look bad. That's not the same as being treated as a paid slave. And no I won't clean your toilets for the good of the team. I'll clean my own toilets for the good of my team but if I can't, I'll hire a maid. I'm not going to make my accountant do it. The maid applies for the job knowing she will be cleaning. The accountant applies for his job knowing he will be reminding me I couldn't really afford that maid.

I agree. I will work my butt off but when I am asked and expected to do things so far out of what I was hired to do simply to "help out the team" that just shows me the company I am working for is not doing well and they cannot afford to hire the proper staff. I have had three jobs like that and not one of the companies I worked for lasted more than 6 months after I left.




  
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Apr 03, 2014 05:12 |  #117

OK. I am out. Enough of this.

Thankfully as employees you are free to choose who you work for and as employers we are free to choose who works for us.


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Apr 18, 2014 10:37 |  #118
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memoriesoftomorrow wrote in post #16835379 (external link)
The last image looks like you missed focus.

Maybe he should stick to his day job ONLY? Just askin!


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Apr 18, 2014 10:42 |  #119

Bakewell wrote in post #16843565 (external link)
Maybe he should stick to his day job ONLY? Just askin!

And..... Here we go again :)


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Apr 18, 2014 11:05 |  #120

Bakewell wrote in post #16843565 (external link)
Maybe he should stick to his day job ONLY? Just askin!


Post images. Expect CC. Part and parcel of being a tog.


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