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Apr 09, 2014 16:44 |  #1

Not sure where to put this, I am trying to learn how to properly size/sharpen for web. I want to actually upload to flickr and post, so here's this thread. Ill include the SOOC and revisions I've made along the way so it is somewhat interesting!

All files posted with the 1024 X 683 setting in Flickr.

SOOC (flash too bright! but decided to try saving it, so glad I did.):

IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: NOT FOUND | MIME changed to 'image/gif' | Redirected to error image by FLICKR


First Edit (no resizing for web or export sharpen):
IMAGE: https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5153/13722430974_63bd0b3394_b.jpg
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/mUB3​Du  (external link)

Second Edit (cleaned up edges of frame, added sharpening in LR, cropped a bit tighter):
IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: NOT FOUND | MIME changed to 'image/gif' | Redirected to error image by FLICKR


Second Edit (limited to 1024 pixels long edge, sharpened for screen, amount = high)
IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: NOT FOUND | MIME changed to 'image/gif' | Redirected to error image by FLICKR

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Apr 09, 2014 19:01 |  #2

Sizing and sharpening for the Web is only as "complicated" as you make it!

I myself take the simple approach. Almost everything is sharpened in the LR Detail panel with Making and Noise Reduction added if needed. Since this is "Input Sharpening, its only purpose is to work on the fine details of our images, and is designed to be used viewing at 100% (or using the little 100% preview in the panel.

Also, "Selective" sharpening is available through the Local Adjustment brush, and I've occasionally played with that, but it's not a "routine" of mine.

Output Sharpening is different, and can be pretty complicated, but like I say, I try to Keep It Simple. For most of my stuff I'm pretty satisfied just Exporting it from LR with the Output Sharpening set to Screen and Standard, although occasionally I've played with the High setting there.

Re-sizing for the Web is again as simple as you want it to be. I use three Export functions. To upload to my Web host I set the LR Export dialog to meet POTN limits, so 1024 at the Wide dimension although I limit the Height dimension I believe to 900 pixels. for this I don't limit the file size, and then I set the image Quality to 75. All these functions are quick in the LR Export dialog, maybe a minute for however images you want to Export.

For images that I upload directly to here, since we have a file size limit of 150 KB, well, LR has a check box for that as well, and that's the only thing you need to change in the Export dialog. Simple and quick and easy!

My third scenario is if I want to "share" an image with, for example, FaceBook. I do share photos there, both with friends, and with a couple groups that active in, a Pacific Northwest Photographers group that has about 1,300 members, and a group for photographers in the Western US states that I recently joined.

So you'll know, FaceBook has added some features, and one of those features that I enjoy is the "Full Screen View" mode. What this does when you "enter" the mode is it will "enlarge" the image from its default compressed view to, if possible, fill your screen, although it is limited to using the "original" pixels (it won't enlarge the image by creating new pixels).

So, for these shots I have chosen larger resizes, although I limit it to what I consider a pretty common screen resolution, which is 1600x1024 pixels. So the pics display larger than the "default" display, and also in this mode display with black borders around (without all the "stuff" at the side).

I'm not a Flickr user but I know that for Pro accounts they will also keep and display a larger "original" but I don't think it works quite like the FaceBook mode. FaceBook will compress the image to match your screen resolution so you are viewing the full image without having to scroll.

So, these three approaches to resizing work for me. I know that some people are very skitterish about posting pics to a public Web site, but that's a matter of personal preference, and different people will have different preferences!

As a "future" note, POTN is looking toward having a new forum software design, and once we move into that, we may be facing a different approach to resizing, so keep your eyes open!


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Apr 09, 2014 19:35 |  #3

tonylong wrote in post #16822365 (external link)
Sizing and sharpening for the Web is only as "complicated" as you make it!

As a "future" note, POTN is looking toward having a new forum software design, and once we move into that, we may be facing a different approach to resizing, so keep your eyes open!

Oh wow! Thank you so much for the very informative response. Not sure how I ended up focusing on this today but it has been annoying me.

I need to really sit down and digest the sharpening sticky too, as I feel pretty unsure of every move I make with sharpness.

Look forward to an update! I love it around here. Thanks again!


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Apr 09, 2014 20:47 |  #4

chubbyone wrote in post #16822421 (external link)
Oh wow! Thank you so much for the very informative response. Not sure how I ended up focusing on this today but it has been annoying me.

I need to really sit down and digest the sharpening sticky too, as I feel pretty unsure of every move I make with sharpness.

Look forward to an update! I love it around here. Thanks again!

Just know that a lot of comments on sharpening, including in the Sharpening Sticky, will talk about methods of sharpening, techniques that tend to focus on some type of "Output" sharpening (rather than the input sharpening I was describing) and will often have more complex techniques/approaches, often using Photoshop or another image editor, rather than the "Quick and Simple" approach that I was describing using the Lightroom Export dialog.

It's not that I'm criticizing the great work that is being put out using such methods, it's just that my "starting point" (and often my total approach) is the Keep It Simple approach!


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Apr 09, 2014 21:09 |  #5

If you use LR then it offers all 3 sharpening phases like Tony's great explanation. It has the whole package.

More basic info on the 3 phases of sharpening.

http://www.cambridgein​colour.com …ials/image-sharpening.htm (external link)

If you use PS here are a few good videos for output resizing and sharpening.

It does eventually get into downsizing for the web

http://www.youtube.com …4mV3NsLmXw&feat​ure=relmfu (external link)

http://www.youtube.com …ure=player_embe​dded#at=20 (external link)


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Apr 09, 2014 21:15 |  #6

I forgot. In both LR and ACR you should be using the masking slider when you are capture sharpening. I'm usually at about 80.

Masking explanation starts at about minute 4.

http://tv.adobe.com …elop-settings-sharpening/ (external link)

If you have PS I can show a cool "edge" sharpening process for output sharpening.


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Apr 10, 2014 07:23 |  #7

Thanks guys! Yes I have LR5.4 and CS6, these explanations are awesome!


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Apr 10, 2014 07:25 |  #8

Check this out. Free action at the end of this thread. The actions in RSS at POTN link are old so don't use those.

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1371008


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