Canon?

pwm2 wrote in post #16823978
An 800mm lens feels too marginal to be this years focus point from the camera division. Especially since it's "just optics".

They want something that makes the investors impressed and willing to continue to back the Canon stock. So it has to be high-tech. And must be possible to present in a way that it implies Canon as not just a dominant player but preferably market leader in that niche.

Every year in the annual report, they pick one or more products from each division and write about to show what a marvelous company Canon is, and to indicate that Canon will stay a super player in their market areas.

Most likely a video camera. Because they've had nothing special for stills for years.

I'd welcome an even-better large-format printer, though. Something with better gamut than the Epsons, or photo-quality uncoated paper printing, or something like that.

Shadowblade wrote in post #16823998
Most likely a video camera. Because they've had nothing special for stills for years.

I'd welcome an even-better large-format printer, though. Something with better gamut than the Epsons, or photo-quality uncoated paper printing, or something like that.

The 1DX and 5D3 don't count? The 1DX was only two years ago, and the 5D3 just last year, IIRC.

archer1960 wrote in post #16824043
The 1DX and 5D3 don't count? The 1DX was only two years ago, and the 5D3 just last year, IIRC.

they would count.... if the year was 2008

venom3300 wrote in post #16824054
they would count.... if the year was 2008

That's just plain silly. Really silly. Think again and this time try a more believable year. If the 5D3 and 1Dx would have been released 2008 then the other manufacturers would have shot themselves.

phantelope wrote in post #16823683
last time I checked, Canon makes fantastic cameras, has that changed? Mine work great, maybe I was just lucky.

At one time a horse and buggy was a fantastic method of transportation. Seriously, Canon still makes fantastic cameras but the times they are a changing and Canon seems as if it's struggleing to keep up. The difference between my 5DII and my work D800 is very noticable, not enough for me to switch at the moment, but if Canon continues to languish and the D800 replacement comes out improved, that decision will be made harder.

pwm2 wrote in post #16824064
That's just plain silly. Really silly. Think again and this time try a more believable year. If the 5D3 and 1Dx would have been released 2008 then the other manufacturers would have shot themselves.

it was a bit of sarcasm and exaggeration to get the point across... because next to nikons flag ships, no they really aren't exciting.

venom3300 wrote in post #16824073
it was a bit of sarcasm and exaggeration to get the point across... because next to nikons flag ships, no they really aren't exciting.

They were when they came out, especially the 1DX. My main objection was to the term "years", implying a very long time, which it has not been, IMO.

Shadowblade wrote in post #16823998
Most likely a video camera. Because they've had nothing special for stills for years.

I'd welcome an even-better large-format printer, though. Something with better gamut than the Epsons, or photo-quality uncoated paper printing, or something like that.

There is a chance that you will see some new large-format ink-jet printer during the year. But no indication of something revolutionary for stills.

This is what Canon writes about 2014 for the imaging division:

The full document is here:
http://www.canon.com/i​r/annual/2013/report20​13.pdf
The first 33 pages is strictly PR, where the company presents itself and inform the readers what a great company they are. Then follows the legalese and full set of numbers.

pwm2 wrote in post #16823930
I think you'll see a new mirrorless Canon on all markets. That v1 was a market test, without any muscle force put behind it. Canon needs more new lenses before they want to go full out on mirrorless.

But I wonder if we'll see any more mirrorless action until Canon finally have a new sensor. Why compete and fail in the hardware reviews?

Like you said, the v1 was a market test, and the results were not good for the US. Unless their is a huge jump in interest with mirrorless, Canon USA won't be focusing too much on mirrorless in the near future. I think they're main focus right now and I'm sure others is competing with smartphones.

In the US, smaller items don't sell well. SL1 didn't do well in sales but did great in Asia/Europe.

1KIND wrote in post #16824090
Like you said, the v1 was a market test, and the results were not good for the US. Unless their is a huge jump in interest with mirrorless, Canon USA won't be focusing too much on mirrorless in the near future. I think they're main focus right now and I'm sure others is competing with smartphones.

In the US, smaller items don't sell well. SL1 didn't do well in sales but did great in Asia/Europe.

And the only way they can do that without actually entering the phone market in some way (such as by selling optical components) is with smaller, lighter cameras. DSLR-sized cameras will never help with the phone market.

1KIND wrote in post #16824090
Like you said, the v1 was a market test, and the results were not good for the US. Unless their is a huge jump in interest with mirrorless, Canon USA won't be focusing too much on mirrorless in the near future. I think they're main focus right now and I'm sure others is competing with smartphones.

In the US, smaller items don't sell well. SL1 didn't do well in sales but did great in Asia/Europe.

I'm pretty sure there will be a huge move towards mirrorless in a quite short time span. I'm pretty convinced that mirrorless will have collected a significant percent of the market from DSLR within the next 3-4 years. And I don't think US will be any different.

Lots of photography is done with quite wide lenses, which means a smaller mirrorless body can be combined by a smaller lens that is specifically designed for the shorter registration distance. I bet size and weight matters a lot for 50% of the current DSLR owners.

archer1960 wrote in post #16824102
And the only way they can do that without actually entering the phone market in some way (such as by selling optical components) is with smaller, lighter cameras. DSLR-sized cameras will never help with the phone market.

I agree and lots of people have asked if Canon would enter the phone market or come out with a phone but its not their area of expertise. Selling components to manufacturers would be a way to dip their toes in the smartphone market but that won't be getting into the business itself from a consumer stand point. I'm sure Canon has thought of the idea.

Maybe compete wasn't the appropriate word. Maybe it should of been "combat"?

pwm2 wrote in post #16824122
I'm pretty sure there will be a huge move towards mirrorless in a quite short time span. I'm pretty convinced that mirrorless will have collected a significant percent of the market from DSLR within the next 3-4 years. And I don't think US will be any different.

Lots of photography is done with quite wide lenses, which means a smaller mirrorless body can be combined by a smaller lens that is specifically designed for the shorter registration distance. I bet size and weight matters a lot for 50% of the current DSLR owners.

Huge move towards mirrorless? Probably in the future. But for Canon, not right now.

For Canon USA, the EOS M did poorly in sales. That is why they didn't bring over EOS M2 to the US market in addition to certain lenses. I'm sure they'll test the waters again in the near future but they're focus is DSLR and PowerShots.

Canon USA doesn't sell all products that other countries offer. They look at the market to see what would be suitable for the market. There are certain items for the G1 X Mark II that is sold in Japan that will not be able for the US market.

I am as big of a fan of Canon as anyone, however to pretend that things have not changed significantly in the last five years of the digital photographic landscape is very closed minded.

Five years ago, if you wanted to pursue photography as an enthusiast or a professional you could buy a Canon or a Nikon. If you were really out there you could buy a Pentax or a Minolta or something off the wall like that, with very little support, few lenses, ect.

Now to someone wanting to enter photography as a hobby or even as a professional, you have Canon and Nikon of course, but Sony is making a big impact, and the mirrorless world with Olympus, and Fuji, and Panasonic, and many others has really pushed out a lot of great new technology in a short time. And unlike five years ago many of these systems have a lot of lenses to choose from, 1st and 3rd party! Sure no one wants to feel like their purchases are outdated every six months, but you just can't help and look at the rest of the market and feel like Canon is either falling behind or sitting a round out so they can come back punching hard (which I hope is the case).

I have been using my Olympus E-M1 for about six months now, and apart from continuous tracking autofocus ability, it blows away the image quality and shooting experience of every crop Canon body. The build quality, feature set, and system expandibility is very impressive, second only to the 1 series from all the camera's I have ever owned or used. It really is a shame Canon put such a lackluster attempt into mirrorless, as I would love for them to be a serious contender in this game.

Billginthekeys wrote in post #16824448
I am as big of a fan of Canon as anyone, however to pretend that things have not changed significantly in the last five years of the digital photographic landscape is very closed minded.

Five years ago, if you wanted to pursue photography as an enthusiast or a professional you could buy a Canon or a Nikon. If you were really out there you could buy a Pentax or a Minolta or something off the wall like that, with very little support, few lenses, ect.

Now to someone wanting to enter photography as a hobby or even as a professional, you have Canon and Nikon of course, but Sony is making a big impact, and the mirrorless world with Olympus, and Fuji, and Panasonic, and many others has really pushed out a lot of great new technology in a short time. And unlike five years ago many of these systems have a lot of lenses to choose from, 1st and 3rd party! Sure no one wants to feel like their purchases are outdated every six months, but you just can't help and look at the rest of the market and feel like Canon is either falling behind or sitting a round out so they can come back punching hard (which I hope is the case).

I have been using my Olympus E-M1 for about six months now, and apart from continuous tracking autofocus ability, it blows away the image quality and shooting experience of every crop Canon body. The build quality, feature set, and system expandibility is very impressive, second only to the 1 series from all the camera's I have ever owned or used. It really is a shame Canon put such a lackluster attempt into mirrorless, as I would love for them to be a serious contender in this game.

if the OMD EM-1 had a mirror I would buy it. love the retro look, and i think they dud it perfectly, unlike nikon...

I have have half-heartedly looked into pentax. ill wait to see if they come out with FF first.