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Apr 20, 2014 04:16 |  #181

My oounion might not be the most popular, but I think Canon still has the edge when it comes to the final outcome. I just want to see 35L II and the updated hi res 50L. AF is still not 100% reliable with Sigma, but where Sigma is loosing is the bokeh. Bokeh that Sigma produces is not so pleasing, very nervous. Bokeh is a lot, a lot more important for poryraits that corner sharpness. Bokeh and AF are the 2 key things for portraits. Sharpness and resolution is what is more critical for landscapes. In this case, I think Sigma is not really Art...it is more S as sharpness. Do not be surprised that in real life you will enjoy portraits produced with 50 L more. Photographing a chart nas nothing in common with real life application.


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Apr 20, 2014 08:29 |  #182

light_pilgrim wrote in post #16847572 (external link)
My oounion might not be the most popular, but I think Canon still has the edge when it comes to the final outcome. I just want to see 35L II and the updated hi res 50L. AF is still not 100% reliable with Sigma, but where Sigma is loosing is the bokeh. Bokeh that Sigma produces is not so pleasing, very nervous. Bokeh is a lot, a lot more important for poryraits that corner sharpness. Bokeh and AF are the 2 key things for portraits. Sharpness and resolution is what is more critical for landscapes. In this case, I think Sigma is not really Art...it is more S as sharpness. Do not be surprised that in real life you will enjoy portraits produced with 50 L more. Photographing a chart nas nothing in common with real life application.

Well to be fair, you can probably dial sharpness down a few notches and bokeh will be less busy, while retaining 50L sharpness.

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Apr 20, 2014 08:41 |  #183

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Well to be fair, you can probably dial sharpness down a few notches and bokeh will be less busy, while retaining 50L sharpness.

Just a guess.

How do you do it?


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Apr 20, 2014 08:49 |  #184

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How do you do it?

Sharpness sliders can go down. Just saying that it's easy to make a sharp photo soft, but the reverse is a lot more difficult.

Sharpness goes down, so does that bokeh, but to get it as buttery as the 50L... May not happen.

Would have to try it out.


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Apr 20, 2014 09:04 |  #185

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Sharpness sliders can go down. Just saying that it's easy to make a sharp photo soft, but the reverse is a lot more difficult.

Sharpness goes down, so does that bokeh, but to get it as buttery as the 50L... May not happen.

Would have to try it out.

I think it is a design of the lens


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Apr 20, 2014 09:09 |  #186

light_pilgrim wrote in post #16847572 (external link)
My oounion might not be the most popular, but I think Canon still has the edge when it comes to the final outcome. I just want to see 35L II and the updated hi res 50L. AF is still not 100% reliable with Sigma, but where Sigma is loosing is the bokeh. Bokeh that Sigma produces is not so pleasing, very nervous. Bokeh is a lot, a lot more important for poryraits that corner sharpness. Bokeh and AF are the 2 key things for portraits. Sharpness and resolution is what is more critical for landscapes. In this case, I think Sigma is not really Art...it is more S as sharpness. Do not be surprised that in real life you will enjoy portraits produced with 50 L more. Photographing a chart nas nothing in common with real life application.

I agree with you that the 50L rendering is a bit nicer for portraits to my eyes... but to suggest that landscapes or things other than portraits aren't art is straight up bull.


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Apr 20, 2014 09:10 |  #187

If a lens renders in a way that's more pleasing to the owner, I think that it's silly to suggest a different lens + additional processing, even if approximating the look is possible (which is not always the case, of course) - why add another step and additional time for something that you can do in-camera?


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Apr 20, 2014 09:14 |  #188

light_pilgrim wrote in post #16847572 (external link)
My oounion might not be the most popular, but I think Canon still has the edge when it comes to the final outcome. I just want to see 35L II and the updated hi res 50L. AF is still not 100% reliable with Sigma, but where Sigma is loosing is the bokeh. Bokeh that Sigma produces is not so pleasing, very nervous. Bokeh is a lot, a lot more important for poryraits that corner sharpness. Bokeh and AF are the 2 key things for portraits. Sharpness and resolution is what is more critical for landscapes. In this case, I think Sigma is not really Art...it is more S as sharpness. Do not be surprised that in real life you will enjoy portraits produced with 50 L more. Photographing a chart nas nothing in common with real life application.

I had both the Sig35a and 35L. IMO at f1.4 both performed very well. I say both renders with a very nice bokeh for this focal length. Depending on ones focus distance and lighting conditions, the bokeh regardless of lens can come out "nervous". Eventually I choose sigma35 over the 35l because of corner and edge sharpness. With this focal length, I like to take portraits non-centered on frame.

I also have owned and used a bunch of 50mm. I had compared the 50L and sig50 ex. The 50l performed better with autofocus in terms of speed and low light events. However, surprisingly both these lens renders very similar. However, in high contrast backgrounds, the sigma was the clear winner in terms of bokeh. The 50l bokeh produces busy bokeh highlights. However, in even tone backgrounds, both lens have very smooth bokeh. I give the 50L at f1.2 the edge over the sigma because the way the 50L renders from focus to out of focus. It produces a dreamy effect, call it halo, astigmatism or whatever, but it looks really special. The sigma 50 has some of that, but not like the 50L. I suspect the new sigma 50 won't have this look. But it will have its own distinct character. If money was no issue, I would be inclined to have both.

I did keep my 85L. Nothing can touch this lens regarding it quality rendering.


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Apr 20, 2014 11:36 |  #189

Pilgrim, I will admit I was a tad concerned on bokeh, but did you see the Korean review pics? Plus, all these review pics are not exactly "artistic" and pretty crappy from an interesting standpoint, I wouldn't go judging what a photographer is going to do with any lens based on testing photos. All the review and test crap just give you an idea of what you have, not what you have to do with it. Of course no one shoots charts, that doesn't mean that I am not interested in them. And to that matter, it is center sharpness, not just corner, so how is the 50L bokah at F2.8 because that is about where it is the same as the sigma Center wide open according to one shown chart, and that is if the subject needs to be sharp, which it doesn't all the time. I also see a 50 as an all arounder, and not portrait specific, and there is alot of photography in between the given examples of portrait or landscape......


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Apr 20, 2014 11:55 |  #190

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Pilgrim, I will admit I was a tad concerned on bokeh, but did you see the Korean review pics? Plus, all these review pics are not exactly "artistic" and pretty crappy from an interesting standpoint, I wouldn't go judging what a photographer is going to do with any lens based on testing photos. All the review and test crap just give you an idea of what you have, not what you have to do with it. Of course no one shoots charts, that doesn't mean that I am not interested in them. And to that matter, it is center sharpness, not just corner, so how is the 50L bokah at F2.8 because that is about where it is the same as the sigma Center wide open according to one shown chart, and that is if the subject needs to be sharp, which it doesn't all the time. I also see a 50 as an all arounder, and not portrait specific, and there is alot of photography in between the given examples of portrait or landscape......

I did not use the 50 art myself, so do not have an opinion. I see people being obsessed with sharpness and I always want to have the sharpest lens around, but I noticed that bokeh plays a much bigger role and adds to a character of the portrait. The best lens I used in my life is 70-200 II, Sigma is a bit overly hyped. You cannot rely 100%....it is very good optically, but they have a hard time making AF work and it is in the best interest of Canon and Nikon to make their life very complex.


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Apr 20, 2014 11:56 |  #191

Looking at the baby towards the bottom reveals pretty stark difference between the 2 lenses. if those are not altered in any way, the sigma seems to have way more microcontrast to my eye.


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Apr 20, 2014 11:57 |  #192

light_pilgrim wrote in post #16848191 (external link)
I did not use the 50 art myself, so do not have an opinion. I see people being obsessed with sharpness and I always want to have the sharpest lens around, but I noticed that bokeh plays a much bigger role and adds to a character of the portrait. The best lens I used in my life is 70-200 II, Sigma is a bit overly hyped. You cannot rely 100%....it is very good optically, but they have a hard time making AF work and it is in the best interest of Canon and Nikon to make their life very complex.

obviously you have used the 50A so you can fairly claim the AF is bad and that the bokeh is bad. :rolleyes:


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Apr 20, 2014 12:48 |  #193

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obviously you have used the 50A so you can fairly claim the AF is bad and that the bokeh is bad. :rolleyes:

No, I said no....just seen examples and judging AF from other Sigma lenses, but if this is not the case with 50 art, then bravo to sigma


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Apr 20, 2014 12:51 |  #194

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If a lens renders in a way that's more pleasing to the owner, I think that it's silly to suggest a different lens + additional processing, even if approximating the look is possible (which is not always the case, of course) - why add another step and additional time for something that you can do in-camera?

Depends.

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Both sharper and busier bokeh, and not too many complaints. Very easy to dumb down sharpness on import, not easy to boost sharpness.

There are legit reasons to keep the 50L of course. 0.3 tstop advantage, sharp enough for intended purpose, and size.


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Apr 20, 2014 19:53 |  #195

I can't seem to find a good place to order it from within the EU except for one or two sites in the UK which would rip me off compared to the lens' dollar value. God damn it.


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