5d2 or 70d? what would you choose?

I just got my 70d on here not too long ago. I don't really have any complaints except recently I've been aching for a full frame camera. I just see so many photos taken with a full frame and love them. I can't really afford the 5d3, but I'm wondering if I should trade or sell my 70d for a 5d2.

I mainly shoot my kids and macro shots right now. I'm thinking the autofocus of the 70d is probably better for that, but all the lenses I lust over are better on full frame, like the 135L and 24-105. My 85 would also get more use if I had a full frame.

So what do you think? I guess my biggest question with the 5d2 is, how good/fast is the autofocus?

The focus points are too close together. Would have been nice if the auto focus points fell on the 4 intersections in the Rule of Thirds grid. Sucks for composing shots.

Wouldn't say the camera is great at tracking/fast focus. Never had any luck until I grabbed a 7D.

timrocks311 wrote in post #16828491
I don't really have any complaints except recently I've been aching for a full frame camera. I just see so many photos taken with a full frame and love them.

Ask your self why this is the case? In most cases there isn't any inherent way you can't tell a full frame vs. cropped format, given the same field of view. It seems to me your statements indicate you need a lens wider and shorter. Maybe something like at 17-70mm would take care of your needs.

John from PA wrote in post #16828665
Ask your self why this is the case? In most cases there isn't any inherent way you canntell a full frame vs. cropped format, given the same field of view. It seems to me your statements indicate you need a lens wider and shorter. Maybe something like at 17-70mm would take care of your needs.

There are differences in bokeh, just because of the full frame perspective and chosen focal lengths and distances from subject that result.

timrocks311 wrote in post #16828491
I just got my 70d on here not too long ago. I don't really have any complaints except recently I've been aching for a full frame camera. I just see so many photos taken with a full frame and love them. I can't really afford the 5d3, but I'm wondering if I should trade or sell my 70d for a 5d2.

I mainly shoot my kids and macro shots right now. I'm thinking the autofocus of the 70d is probably better for that, but all the lenses I lust over are better on full frame, like the 135L and 24-105. My 85 would also get more use if I had a full frame.

So what do you think? I guess my biggest question with the 5d2 is, how good/fast is the autofocus?

Are you using single shot or servo most of the time?

catclaw wrote in post #16828676
Are you using single shot or servo most of the time?

I've been using servo for the kids more recently.

Instead of the 5d2 I wonder if i should consider the 6d.

John from PA wrote in post #16828665
Ask your self why this is the case? In most cases there isn't any inherent way you can't tell a full frame vs. cropped format, given the same field of view. It seems to me your statements indicate you need a lens wider and shorter. Maybe something like at 17-70mm would take care of your needs.

Actually, I often like a longer lens. Except for landscapes, my 30 is generally wide enough for my liking. I guess that's another thing. I might like the 24-105 more on a crop. I just tend to think a lens like the 135 would be nicer bokeh and picture on a full frame. I don't know though, haven't had a chance to try it yet.

timrocks311 wrote in post #16828805
I've been using servo for the kids more recently.

Instead of the 5d2 I wonder if i should consider the 6d.

If you are willing to consider the 6D, then that's the one to get. It's weakness is it uses an SD card, but every other feature will mean you should get the 6D over the 5D.

timrocks311 wrote in post #16828823
Actually, I often like a longer lens. Except for landscapes, my 30 is generally wide enough for my liking. I guess that's another thing. I might like the 24-105 more on a crop. I just tend to think a lens like the 135 would be nicer bokeh and picture on a full frame. I don't know though, haven't had a chance to try it yet.

I will confirm that I prefer the differences that full frame has to offer.

catclaw wrote in post #16828931
It's weakness is it uses an SD card, but every other feature will mean you should get the 6D over the 5D.

SD card is a weakness ??
I see it as a "strength" !

catclaw wrote in post #16828673
There are differences in bokeh, just because of the full frame perspective and chosen focal lengths and distances from subject that result.

Well maybe. All too often "bokeh" is confused with simple depth of field blur. For an in-depth discussion go to https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=770340.

And like watt100 has stated, I also see the SD as a strength. I haven't seen mention of an SD card damaging camera or reader but there are numerous instances if CF cards making total bricks out of cameras due to bent pins. Personally, as technology advances, I think CF cards will someday go the way of 5-1/4 inch and 3-1/2 inch disks. I'm not saying SD cards will replace them, just that some technology will come along with the benefits of CF (and there are some) and the disadvantages of the CF will no longer exist.

I recently sold my 5D II and chose the 70D. I loved the focus system of this camera; but, after using FF for a couple of years, I was disappointed in the IQ. But to be fair to the 70D, I only used it a couple of days. Right after I purchased it, the 6D & 24-105mm lens was running a great price and so I returned the 70D and went back to FF. So very happy that I did.

As for the 70D and 5D II, this is a comparison from snapshot.com that I like to use when trying to decide about cameras. You can then decide which factors are the most important to you.

http://snapsort.com …D-vs-Canon_EOS_5D_Mark_II

For action/sports shots with the kids, the 70D is a better choice. It's AF system, frame rate, and the "extra reach" of a crop camera are better for that purpose.

The 70D has a 19 point AF system, with all 19 the better/faster "dual axis" type. 5D/5DII both have 9-point AF system, while 6D has an 11-point, and all three only have a single "dual axis" type point at the center. All the rest of their AF points are slower "single axis" type. So, 70D will be far better acquiring and tracking moving targets. (Note: 5D/5DII have 6 "hidden" Focus Assist points that can be used optionally, but aren't shown in the viewfinder. Enabling these essentially makes the spot metering circle in the center act like one bit AF point. Two of the "Assist" points are dual axis type, but the "Assist" points only work in AI Servo. And, for low light shooting, the 6D's center point is able to focus about 2 stops lower light than any of the points in any of the other cameras.)

For macro, a FF camera can be good because they tolerate smaller apertures better (because you end up enlarging their images less), but you won't really see much advantage unless you are making very large prints from your images. 70D's articulated LCD screen can be an advantage for some macro photography... none of the FF cameras have that.

FF Fanboyz and Fangirlz are everywhere these days! But today's crop sensor cameras come awfully close in image quality and croppers have a number of advantages. Crop cameras can use all EF and EF-S lenses, while FF cameras are limited to EF only. In general, lenses for FF are bigger, heavier and more expensive. Compare an EF-S 10-22mm for a crop camera with an EF 16-35/2.8 II for FF. Or, compare an EF 300/4 IS for a crop camera, with an EF 500/4 IS II for FF.

The ideal thing to do is use both formates.... each for it's own strengths.

If you shoot a lot in low light and/or make really big prints from your images, FF might be right for you.

But if you shoot a lot of action/sports and/or the largest you ever print is 13x19", even 16x24" or so, you'll likely be better off keeping the crop sensor camera.

As to those "disappointed" by the IQ of a crop camera... stop pixel peeping. Be realistic about the final use of the image. Even if you make huge prints, you won't be looking at it at 100% magnification after you're done editing it.

You tell me... Which of the folllowing images was shot with a FF camera and which with a cropper? (The same lens and filter were used for both images.)

watt100 wrote in post #16829744
SD card is a weakness ??
I see it as a "strength" !

SD is horrid. The cards are so flimsy it's unbelievable. I like CF cards because they're built like tanks. SD is for MP3 players, proper DSLRs use CF

michgirl wrote in post #16829835
http://snapsort.com …D-vs-Canon_EOS_5D_Mark_II

The same site ranks the 6D above the 5D3 - tells you everything you need to know about the value of their ratings tbh.