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Apr 17, 2014 11:53 |  #136

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Art does nothing of the sort.

That's what documentaries, books and travelling are for.

Art is what you hang on the wall to decorate the place.

:lol::lol::lol: Ok there ya go.....:rolleyes:

I haven't read something this funny on POTN in a long time....




  
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Apr 17, 2014 11:54 |  #137

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What I'm saying is that the entire field of photojournalism and street photography - both with rich histories - have their genesis largely in the person of Henri Cartier-Bresson. They are what they are because of him.

And you know what, yes, there are elements of those genera that would not exist were it not for HCB.

And, outside of the aesthetic appeal of some street photographs, these fields have done precisely nothing to shape humanity.

If he had never existed, the same stories would still have been reported, the same news would still have come from the same places they actually did. Maybe the pictures accompanying those news stories would look slightly different, maybe not. But the actual events wouldn't have changed.




  
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Apr 17, 2014 11:56 |  #138

Shadowblade wrote in post #16841071 (external link)
Art does nothing of the sort.

That's what documentaries, books and travelling are for.

Art is what you hang on the wall to decorate the place.

You're obviously trolling at this point and I question if it was ever anything else, even from the beginning. If you can't see the significance in Bresson's work or any of the work of the great photographers from the past that have been mentioned in this thread, then I truly pity you. Photography has lost the storytelling aspect. It's all about the prettiest sunset or whatever. That's a fleeting significance, forgotten in a moment. The work that has been mentioned has a lasting impact.


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Apr 17, 2014 11:57 |  #139

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In other words, it's preaching to the choir.

The best part about Mona Lisa? To stand there and see a group of Japanese tourists run into that dark room. Hold their camera over their hand and get a quick snap and then run away. Not even noticing that they did run past Venus de Milo just because the mass psychosis did have them put all focus on seeing a dark painting from far too large distance before running - "just to have been there".

To much people agitate themselves into liking things just because it's a must. Not because they clear their mind and then try to make up their own decision "does this mean anything to me, personally?"

I prefer to first like something in a museum and then spend time learning more, than be stupid enough and have a large number of experts "teach me" what I'm expected to see and feel. That's like having someone else tell me if I should like a specific brand of candy or not.


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Apr 17, 2014 11:57 |  #140

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:lol::lol::lol: Ok there ya go.....:rolleyes:

I haven't read something this funny on POTN in a long time....

It's either a troll or complete ignorance. Either one is unfortunate.


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Apr 17, 2014 11:58 |  #141

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Pride in ignorance is a plague on western society and if we are not careful could be our ultimate downfall as other cultures scramble to gain knowledge.

There's no useful knowledge in art.

If a piece of art is significant, it is for historic value (e.g. the first photograph, photos or paintings of significant historical figures) rather than for artistic value. Any relevant knowledge relating to a creative work is, therefore, relevant for its historical significance, not its artistic significance.

You could erase all art from the world and from human memory and human progress would be none the worse for it.




  
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Apr 17, 2014 11:59 |  #142

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And, outside of the aesthetic appeal of some street photographs, these fields have done precisely nothing to shape humanity.

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Apr 17, 2014 11:59 |  #143

If this wasn't so funny it would be sad and you're right elray has to be a troll...




  
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Apr 17, 2014 11:59 |  #144

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You could erase all art from the world and from human memory and human progress would be none the worse for it.

I really need to walk away from this asinine conversation.


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Apr 17, 2014 12:02 |  #145

Shadowblade wrote in post #16841109 (external link)
You could erase all art from the world and from human memory and human progress would be none the worse for it.

Tell that to those that risked their lives to save it in WWII. ;) It is evident art isn't important in your world but that is a narrow one indeed. What I never can get my head around and, I guess it's the ease of all of this now, is why someone would enter a creative feld and have no respect or value for it.




  
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Apr 17, 2014 12:02 |  #146

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Yes, 10 is still 10.

But your assertion about art is flawed because it reduces it to aesthetic beauty, which is precisely the opposite of what I'm arguing for. In fact, I'm saying that there's so much more to art than aesthetics, just as there's so much more to math than addition.

No, I do not reduce art to aesthetic beauty. Not at all. Not even closely so.

I just say it's ridiculous to need to "learn" to like specific genres of art. If I need to learn to like it, then it isn't talking to me, so I better move to other genres or other masters.


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Apr 17, 2014 12:02 |  #147

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I haven't read something this funny on POTN in a long time....

I haven't read something this sad on POTN in a long time.

Shadowblade wrote in post #16841098 (external link)
If he had never existed, the same stories would still have been reported, the same news would still have come from the same places they actually did. Maybe the pictures accompanying those news stories would look slightly different, maybe not. But the actual events wouldn't have changed.

There's more to human life than facts.


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Apr 17, 2014 12:02 |  #148

Shadowblade wrote in post #16841109 (external link)
There's no useful knowledge in art.

If a piece of art is significant, it is for historic value (e.g. the first photograph, photos or paintings of significant historical figures) rather than for artistic value. Any relevant knowledge relating to a creative work is, therefore, relevant for its historical significance, not its artistic significance.

You could erase all art from the world and from human memory and human progress would be none the worse for it.

Your ignorance... on full display. Art documents, don't you get that? No useful knowledge? I'm pretty sure that has to be the most ignorant statement I've heard in a while.


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Apr 17, 2014 12:03 |  #149

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You're obviously trolling at this point and I question if it was ever anything else, even from the beginning. If you can't see the significance in Bresson's work or any of the work of the great photographers from the past that have been mentioned in this thread, then I truly pity you. Photography has lost the storytelling aspect. It's all about the prettiest sunset or whatever. That's a fleeting significance, forgotten in a moment. The work that has been mentioned has a lasting impact.

What lasting impact? The only impact they've had is on other 'art'. Outside the insular world of art, the existence of these works hasn't changed anything. They haven't influenced anything in engineering, medicine, agriculture, etc. - things which impact on the lives of people - nor have they influenced the building blocks of these things, e.g. physics, chemistry, genetics.




  
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Apr 17, 2014 12:03 |  #150

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No, I do not reduce art to aesthetic beauty. Not at all. Not even closely so.

I just say it's ridiculous to need to "learn" to like specific genres of art. If I need to learn to like it, then it isn't talking to me, so I better move to other genres or other masters.

Something that is instantly gratifying is often fleeting. True understanding comes over time.


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