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Apr 17, 2014 12:04 |  #151

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I really need to walk away from this asinine conversation.

Yeah I'm with ya bro. It's sad though because these are not isolated views.




  
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Apr 17, 2014 12:04 |  #152

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I really need to walk away from this asinine conversation.

Can I come with you?


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Apr 17, 2014 12:04 |  #153

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Something that is instantly gratifying is often fleeting. True understanding comes over time.

Absolutely.




  
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Apr 17, 2014 12:05 |  #154

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It's either a troll or complete ignorance. Either one is unfortunate.

But then you are trolling now by jumping in with big extrapolations.


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Apr 17, 2014 12:05 |  #155

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What lasting impact? The only impact they've had is on other 'art'. Outside the insular world of art, the existence of these works hasn't changed anything. They haven't influenced anything in engineering, medicine, agriculture, etc. - things which impact on the lives of people - nor have they influenced the building blocks of these things, e.g. physics, chemistry, genetics.

Would you kindly show where it says art has to do any of those things? You're applying all these rules to art and that's exactly what art isn't. Art is all around you, every day. Not just in museums but in design. In your home, in the street, in the intricate way things are put together.


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Apr 17, 2014 12:06 |  #156

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But then you are trolling now by jumping in with big extrapolations.

Extrapolations? I don't think that means what you think it means...


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Apr 17, 2014 12:07 |  #157

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You could erase all art from the world and from human memory and human progress would be none the worse for it.

Have you been playing Civilization?

You need something other than work, food, sleep to keep people from becoming restless.

There is a reason why we have art, religion, sports, ...

We need things to think about. Things to look up to. Goals that we may try to reach. Hope for changes.

A life without art would be rather dull. Just that one mans treasured art isn't treasured by everyone else.


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Apr 17, 2014 12:09 |  #158

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Would you kindly show where it says art has to do any of those things? You're applying all these rules to art and that's exactly what art isn't. Art is all around you, every day. Not just in museums but in design. In your home, in the street, in the intricate way things are put together.

You said, 'The work that has been mentioned has lasting impact.'

It hasn't had any impact at all. If those works hadn't existed, buildings would still be made out of steel, concrete and glass, cars would still mostly burn petrol and milk would still mostly come from cows. We aren't doing anything differently simply due to the existence of an artwork.




  
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Apr 17, 2014 12:13 |  #159

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Have you been playing Civilization?

You need something other than work, food, sleep to keep people from becoming restless.

There is a reason why we have art, religion, sports, ...

We need things to think about. Things to look up to. Goals that we may try to reach. Hope for changes.

A life without art would be rather dull. Just that one mans treasured art isn't treasured by everyone else.

Art is there to beautify or entertain - and that's it. Sure, it'd be rather dull if Game of Thrones hadn't been made into a TV series or if cricket hadn't been invented, but humans wouldn't still be living on caves clubbing mammoths if art had never been invented.




  
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Apr 17, 2014 12:15 |  #160

Shadowblade wrote in post #16841156 (external link)
You said, 'The work that has been mentioned has lasting impact.'

It hasn't had any impact at all. If those works hadn't existed, buildings would still be made out of steel, concrete and glass, cars would still mostly burn petrol and milk would still mostly come from cows. We aren't doing anything differently simply due to the existence of an artwork.

You're lost my friend. I sincerely hope you find your way. A life without art is a sad existence. You're stuck talking about buildings and milk and this and that. Art is about people. It has a lasting impact on people. And art has had significant impact on architecture, etc., so you're simply mistaken in that regard.


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Apr 17, 2014 12:16 |  #161

Art has influenced history. Wars have stopped because of it. Wars have started because or it. Peoples lives have changed because of it. National parks were created because or it. maybe not the generic crap some refer to and put in calendars or on walls to but real art can and has had a huge impact on society.




  
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Apr 17, 2014 12:17 |  #162

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You're lost my friend. I sincerely hope you find your way. A life without art is a sad existence. You're stuck talking about buildings and milk and this and that. Art is about people. It has a lasting impact on people. And art has had significant impact on architecture, etc., so you're simply mistaken in that regard.

Architecture is a form of art. It also has no significant impact on human progress.

Engineering, materials and construction techniques determine whether a building will stand up or fall down, and whether it can fulfil its function. What it looks like (architecture) doesn't matter.




  
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Apr 17, 2014 12:17 |  #163

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Art has influenced history. Wars have stopped because of it. Wars have started because or it. Peoples lives have changed because of it. National parks were created because or it. maybe not the generic crap some refer to and put in calendars or on walls to but real art can and has had a huge impact on society.

Not to mention architecture and design. Without art all buildings would be square and gray. Cars would all look the same. Art and design are all around you.


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Apr 17, 2014 12:19 |  #164

airfrogusmc wrote in post #16841177 (external link)
Art has influenced history. Wars have stopped because of it. Wars have started because or it. Peoples lives have changed because of it. National parks were created because or it. maybe not the generic crap some refer to and put in calendars or on walls to but real art can and has had a huge impact on society.

Which war was started or stopped by a painting?




  
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Apr 17, 2014 12:19 |  #165

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Architecture is a form of art. It also has no significant impact on human progress.

Engineering, materials and construction techniques determine whether a building will stand up or fall down, and whether it can fulfil its function. What it looks like (architecture) doesn't matter.

Music is art too. Are you going to say it has had no impact on human progress? Because that would be unfortunate.


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