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Apr 28, 2014 17:05 |  #406

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A collector with an interest in art history or photographic history or just history history might pay a high price for an object of historical significance without considering it better than another object. (Neat handwriting on nice paper doesn't make an autograph expensive, or calligraphers' signatures would fetch the highest prices.) Those criteria might fall into your category of "sentimental." So a high price in such cases doesn't offend you, but a high price when craftsmanship is lacking does. Rhein II is a landscape. Is it lacking in craftsmanship? Do you think it's a bad image, and if so, why?

Yes and Gehry's work does command a big price because he is Ghery. He worked very hard to establish a style and look to his designs and success wasn't overnight. When you see one of his designs you can usually tell it's his. If you are building a building and thats what you want the building to look like, you go to him and pay his price. And it will surely have historic significance.

To many think in terms of the one good photograph. One good photograph no more makes a great photographer than one good at bat makes an MVP. It's about bodies of work. Consistent vision. When you look at a photographers or an artists work do you know it's their work? Those are the kinds of things that help drive collectors to collect. Also who are the other artists that they have influenced.

It's usually not the artist of photographer that makes the really big $$$ on their work. They sell through a gallery and the collector might buy for 10K say. The collector saw potential in the piece or pieces and holds on to them for several years and then the collector sells for big $$$ to probably another collector. Many of these kinds of collectors use art as an investment. And one that can pay off if they make the right choices.




  
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Apr 28, 2014 17:11 |  #407

So you would like to remain ignorant of why a piece is considered great and you don't like it? Yes what you like and dislike is totally subjective but there are some objective ways to help decide if a piece fails or works on those levels. It can still fail but at least there are objective ways to help evaluate and they are being used and discussed everyday in all areas of art and photography and just because you can't get your head around it does't mean its not happening. Take Palto's advice and stick your head out of the cave. It's really rewarding and insightful and I gave you a lot of places to get started.




  
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Apr 28, 2014 17:19 |  #408

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But being in the right place at the right time is priceless. :)

You did read where it took him 15 years of going back to the same spot to be in the right place at the right time...:D


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Apr 28, 2014 17:22 |  #409

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They have to wash the money somehow..... :p

Now that had me rolling...:D


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Apr 28, 2014 17:32 |  #410

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So you would like to remain ignorant of why a piece is considered great and you don't like it? Yes what you like and dislike is totally subjective but there are some objective ways to help decide if a piece fails or works on those levels. It can still fail but at least there are objective ways to help evaluate and they are being used and discussed everyday in all areas of art and photography and just because you can't get your head around it does't mean its not happening. Take Palto's advice and stick your head out of the cave. It's really rewarding and insightful and I gave you a lot of places to get started.

Notice that little "quote" button? It's there to make it easier to follow the debate.

Remain ignorant. That's mighty colored words.

But you (!) have to stay ignorant about a huge number of things, just because no human being can ever spend the time to read up on everything.

The question here is still: is it meaningful to invest time reading up about an artist if you don't like their work? Is it so hard to give some response to this question?

It's really rewarding and insightful and I gave you a lot of places to get started.

Are we even in the same debate?

My question - my debate - is should we invest time in artists we don't feel for, when the world outside the cave is larger than we can ever have time to investigate? Wouldn't it be better invested time to read up about the artists we do like?


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Apr 28, 2014 17:57 |  #411

Ok so you don't want to learn about visual tools that will help you communicate as a visual artist. Nothing wrong with that but don't say it's all nonsense and then in the next breath say you don't have time to learn.

If you change you mind some of the links I posted are great places to get a start.




  
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Apr 28, 2014 18:01 |  #412

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Ok so you don't want to learn about visual tools that will help you communicate as a visual artist. Nothing wrong with that but don't say it's all nonsense and then in the next breath say you don't have time to learn.

If you change you mind some of the links I posted are great places to get a start.

Hello! Are you reading? Because I haven't been even close to claim I don't want to learn how to be a better photographer. Not in a single sentence in this or in any other thread on this forum. Please don't invent nonsense.

Do a retake and this time don't try cheap shots.


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Apr 28, 2014 18:15 |  #413
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Hello! Are you reading? Because I haven't been even close to claim I don't want to learn how to be a better photographer. Not in a single sentence in this or in any other thread on this forum. Please don't invent nonsense.

Do a retake and this time don't try cheap shots.

Agree. The amount of condescending remarks here is just ridiculous...:rolleyes:


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Apr 28, 2014 18:19 |  #414

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Hello! Are you reading? Because I haven't been even close to claim I don't want to learn how to be a better photographer. Not in a single sentence in this or in any other thread on this forum. Please don't invent nonsense.

Do a retake and this time don't try cheap shots.

Not a cheap shot at all. The easy stuff is the nuts and bolts of photography. The visual part is the infinitely difficult part and the part you said you didn't have time to learn about. Understanding why something might work visually but not appeal to you personally is right at the heart of out conversation. This all gets to the heart of why some artists and photographers can get the really big $$$$ for their work.




  
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Apr 28, 2014 18:28 |  #415

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This all gets to the heart of why some artists and photographers can get the really big $$$$ for their work.


like the photographer Annie Leibovitz who gets the big $$$

pure artistic genius !




  
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Apr 28, 2014 18:33 |  #416

I think she has a definite style and because of that is in demand and can sell work and her services for a premium. I think her strongest, most powerful work, was the images she took of her long time partner writer Susan Sontag and her struggle with cancer.




  
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Apr 28, 2014 18:37 |  #417

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The visual part is the infinitely difficult part and the part you said you didn't have time to learn about.

Try that "quote" button and show where I have said I don't have time to learn how to be a better photographer.

Understanding why something might work visually but not appeal to you personally is right at the heart of out conversation. This all gets to the heart of why some artists and photographers can get the really big $$$$ for their work.

Sorry, but no. Not at all. You are extrapolating so you are almost bursting there.

Especially since I - and several others - are debating why some photos that are not appealing still sells for ridiculous amounts of money. We are debating why peeing in public should - or should not - be called art. We are debating why hype sometimes takes over aesthetics or skills. Like hype how the artists waited for months or maybe years until everything aligned perfectly until one night, when photoshop magically placed an enlarged moon behind a tree. Charisma or reputation normally means way more than skills.

And one sideline of the debate is why we should bother about the thoughts of an artist if we don't like that artist's art. Especially if we don't want to produce similar things (that we do not like) ourselves. Even more so if we have other artists we do like.

But all you ever seem to manage to condense this to is: "you are ignorant and don't want to learn how to take pleasing photos."


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Apr 28, 2014 18:44 |  #418

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I think she has a definite style and because of that is in demand and can sell work and her services for a premium. I think her strongest, most powerful work, was the images she took of her long time partner writer Susan Sontag and her struggle with cancer.

I think her biggest achievement was photographing Miley without her tongue sticking out... That's a million dollar shot by itself. :D




  
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Apr 28, 2014 18:45 |  #419

"After all, there isn't time enough to learn everything so someone interested in studying must be very selective."

To be able to understand why some images work or don't are what we are talking about. There are a lot of photographs, paintings, and other art pieces I personally don't like but understand why they work visually and why they are considered important.




  
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Apr 28, 2014 18:46 |  #420

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I think her biggest achievement was photographing Miley without her tongue sticking out... That's a million dollar shot by itself. :D

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