question about einsteins

Tim S wrote in post #16854546
Why arent you using the einstein as the key light? Use remote triggers to fire your hot shoe flash as fill/hair/background lights.

Sounds like that's what the OP was doing to me...

abbypanda wrote in post #16851809
Thanks all and I want to say I really appreciate all the help. I was able to turn the einstein off "slave" and that made a huge difference in working with my flashes. I am about to order that new vagabond from Paul Buff and just keep practicing.

Is it normal that on full power a 580 ex would be overpowered by an einstein so much so that it wouldn't make a suitable fill? I need to practice more but I felt like what I metered my einstein for washed out my flash even on full power.

drvnbysound wrote in post #16834906
There is still a pre-flash when the Canon optical system is used... even in manual mode.

No there is not. I use multiple speedlites in manual mode regularly along with my Elinchrom studio strobes (with pre flash recognition disabled) with no problems and predictable results.

say_cheese wrote in post #16856596
No there is not. I use multiple speedlites in manual mode regularly along with my Elinchrom studio strobes (with pre flash recognition disabled) with no problems and predictable results.

With the Canon [optical] wireless mode enabled? It is the pre-flash/coded signals that tell the slave flashes what power to fire at; so that you can adjust groups B and C flash power from the back of the camera.

I'll certainly agree that there is no pre-flash when used with 3rd party radio triggers.