I get the impression.......

that Canon should only build the 5DIII, the 7D, and oh nothing else. It seems that most newbies that ask a question about what their first camera should be, are more often then not, told to save more money and buy a 5DIII. I purchased my 6D and have been more than happy with it. I'm getting older and a bit cynical, which leads me to get a chuckle out of the mentioned advice. If I had taken some of the advice given by some board members, I would still be waiting to take photographs. Rant off. Thanks

I see all kinds of suggestions, many times the suggestions seem spot on for what the person posting is looking to shoot. I have seen 7D, 70D, 60D, 5D2, 5D3, 1D3, 6D, and even the original 5D as suggestions recently. I think alot of people suggest a camera they want, or already have, and the 5D3 seems to be a very good value for the money in the current model line up.

A lot depends on how the question is posed. What is the best camera for me? The answer is always 1DX or 5D3 if the OP doesnt give more or better information regarding budget/needs.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16843722
I see all kinds of suggestions, many times the suggestions seem spot on for what the person posting is looking to shoot. I have seen 7D, 70D, 60D, 5D2, 5D3, 1D3, 6D, and even the original 5D as suggestions recently. I think alot of people suggest a camera they want, or already have, and the 5D3 seems to be a very good value for the money in the current model line up.

I agree with some of your statements, but I see quite often, a person asking about a camera that would work well for, let's say, landscape and occasionally kids, he says he has a limited budget, $2000 for example, and is considering a 6D, the comments start to come in that the AF is not very good, the frame rate is slow, outer focus points are crap, and yata, yata, yata. The poster doesn't need to be told to save more and buy way more camera then he needs. All that would do is lead to frustration and possibly turn the person away from photography. Not very helpful. I think want frustrates me the most is that the subject of the original post gets lost. It becomes a my camera is better than your camera post.

eddieb1 wrote in post #16843806
I agree with some of your statements, but I see quite often, a person asking about a camera that would work well for, let's say, landscape and occasionally kids, he says he has a limited budget, $2000 for example, and is considering a 6D, the comments start to come in that the AF is not very good, the frame rate is slow, outer focus points are crap, and yata, yata, yata. The poster doesn't need to be told to save more and buy way more camera then he needs. All that would do is lead to frustration and possibly turn the person away from photography. Not very helpful. I think want frustrates me the most is that the subject of the original post gets lost. It becomes a my camera is better than your camera post.

People have been ignoring stated budgets when giving advice for about as long as people have been giving advice. Worthwhile to understand that a lot of advice giving is just wish fulfillment daydreaming.

If you sift through a thread you can see the people who are really trying to think about the options and the budget and who just thinks that only a 1DX can get any job done.

I do see people who'd budgets and goals are not in alignment, usually because they are trying to do something that has a bit of a 'gear threshold' and the budget doesn't support that. Usually this is something with fast action in low light or something that needs a lot of reach. When I think a person's budget is going to force them to compromise on IQ significantly, I tell them so. But that is probably not where the difference in say, a 70D and a 5D3 is going to come up.

Horses for courses. I'm not really seeing your point... it's true that many people discredit the 6D and even the 70D entirely, but for the most part I think the forum gives pretty solid advice depending on the needs of the OP.

WHAT? The 5D III has such HORRIBLE and insufferable BANDING noise and TERRIBLE DR, it is like, totally, the worst camera ever made ever. Who would EVER recommend that...

It all makes me wonder how we ever managed to make photographs before the latest wondercameras were introduced.

Dave Jenkins wrote in post #16843909
It all makes me wonder how we ever managed to make photographs before the latest wondercameras were introduced.

Amen!

He he... this brought back a thought I had for a possible signature line, something along the lines of "my Gear is 900% more advanced technically and technologically than that used by the great Master Photographers of the XXth Century... And still, my photographs do not measure up. The secret, the essence, must lie somewhere else".

Though I do tend to see this is as a marketing thread for Canon's options. I do wonder too why so many veins are exploited. Consumer, prosumer, Professional, Compat, foolproof... The only logical answer that always comes to my mind is "well, they probably sell most of them..." which is probably their goal.

There are a lot of gearheads here, but really.. this place is not as bad as some I have seen!

I am a hobbyist, will always be a hobbyist, and though I sometimes get pangs of envy concerning the high dollar bodies, I haven't outgrown my amateur camera yet so the gear guys don't bother me all that much.

I'll tell you what really cracks me up... it is the people who go out and buy a 5D MkIII and then you see questions like 'What is the M for on my dial?"

Vetteography wrote in post #16844039
There are a lot of gearheads here, but really.. this place is not as bad as some I have seen!

I am a hobbyist, will always be a hobbyist, and though I sometimes get pangs of envy concerning the high dollar bodies, I haven't outgrown my amateur camera yet so the gear guys don't bother me all that much.

I'll tell you what really cracks me up... it is the people who go out and buy a 5D MkIII and then you see questions like 'What is the M for on my dial?"

Everyone knows that M is for movies, A action, T is for Telephoto, B is for Best quality and P is for Professional.

Not sure what C1, C2 and C3 are for though, although the green box must be good as it's A*.

Vetteography wrote in post #16844039
...I'll tell you what really cracks me up... it is the people who go out and buy a 5D MkIII and then you see questions like 'What is the M for on my dial?"

Priceless. Or they have the 1Ds III, shooting in the green box at their kid's soccer game.

Dave Jenkins wrote in post #16843909
It all makes me wonder how we ever managed to make photographs before the latest wondercameras were introduced.

I agree. Back when I could see through my Nikon F cameras (I have two of them but cannot get corrective lenses for my old eyes that fit the Nikon viewfinders), I could do all sorts of high-speed work with them - car and motorcycle racing as well as other sports included - with manual film advance, manual focus, manual metering, etc.

In reality, my dream digital camera would be as simple to operate as my ancient Nikons are. The viewfinders would be big, bright, and optimized for manual focus and would have easily interchangeable focus screens. The lenses would have focus adjustments that are optimized for manual focus. There would be a built-in light meter (mostly for backup) but I'd keep the system in manual exposure mode.

Theres so many "im too lazy to do my research/read other camera recommendation threads, please make a decision for me" threads that the cynical get a 5dIII reply is appropriate.