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Apr 19, 2014 15:54 |  #1

Currently I have a 20d, two 40d's and a 5d Classic. I've got a few cheap-o lenses and I can't afford $$$ with the bank account currently. I only shoot for fun, so this won't be needed for serious work.

I'm really wanting a real macro lens. Not my 35-80mm mod, and not a reverse ring or anything like that.

My questions is this...

What is my best general use macro option that will work for both my crop sensors and my ff setup? It doesn't have to be Canon brand, but I want something EF and EF-S friendly. I know the crop bodies will give me more magnification, but I don't want to leave my 5d out altogether.

Am I better going with something in the 100mm range vs something 85mm or 60mm? I like unclose interesting shots of insects, watches, fine details...

I'm a bit lens ignorant when it comes to this category of shooting. I'd be willing to part with a 40d body to make it happen since I have two of them. Just looking to get the best bang for my buck.


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Apr 19, 2014 16:11 |  #2

1st, a crop body will not provide more magnification.

2nd - easy. Just buy any non EF-S macro lens. They are all good.

Main consideration for macro is working distance. The longer the focal length the greater the working distance.


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Apr 19, 2014 16:20 |  #3

1st, a crop body will not provide more magnification.

True, the magnification is the same regardless of sensor. However, the number of pixels on the subject isn't; higher density sensors (usually crops) put more pixels on the subject at 1:1, and the extra reach of a crop is helpful in field macro work. I do a lot of macro and own both formats, so this is something I have spent a lot of time on.

100mm is a good all-around length, particularly on a crop. I use a 60 and 100 on my crop and a 100 on my FF.

BTW, I assume you didn't mean it to be, but "full-retard" is offensive.


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Apr 19, 2014 16:45 |  #4

What lenses do you currently own? Get an 12mm ext. tube and use on one of them. Best way to introduce yourself to macro.


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Apr 19, 2014 18:07 as a reply to  @ gasrocks's post |  #5

Tamron 90mm 2.8 macro
Canon 100mm 2.8 (non-L)

are both fantastic lenses and will allow you to get some wonderful macro images (if you have or can learn the skills). Both are very affordable too.

Ignore the FF vs crop thing.


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Apr 19, 2014 18:11 |  #6

paddler4 wrote in post #16846599 (external link)
True, the magnification is the same regardless of sensor. However, the number of pixels on the subject isn't; higher density sensors (usually crops) put more pixels on the subject at 1:1, and the extra reach of a crop is helpful in field macro work. I do a lot of macro and own both formats, so this is something I have spent a lot of time on.

100mm is a good all-around length, particularly on a crop. I use a 60 and 100 on my crop and a 100 on my FF.

BTW, I assume you didn't mean it to be, but "full-retard" is offensive.

I was simply using the quote from Tropic Thunder. Will edit it out. Not looking to offend. Thank you for the clarification above as well.


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Apr 19, 2014 18:13 |  #7

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What lenses do you currently own? Get an 12mm ext. tube and use on one of them. Best way to introduce yourself to macro.

I have a stacked tube set that I've toyed with but I wanted to get a real macro lens and go the proper route this time.

Currently I've got:

50mm f/1.8
40mm pancake
Sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 APO DG Macro
Tamron 200-400mm
Canon 17-85mm EFS
Canon 28-105mm
Canon 28-135mm
Vivitar 28mm WA manual
Canon 70-300mm IS
Canon 35-80mm with the macro mod(very crude mod)

The second 40d body, Canon 70-300mm and 28-135mm were recently given to me as a gift from family friends hence them really being similar to stuff I already had.


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Apr 19, 2014 18:21 as a reply to  @ modestglock26's post |  #8

Wow, that is alot of overlap. You could probably sell 3/4 of those lenses and buy a Tamron/Canon macro with the proceeds.


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Apr 19, 2014 18:24 |  #9

Copidosoma wrote in post #16846751 (external link)
Tamron 90mm 2.8 macro
Canon 100mm 2.8 (non-L)

are both fantastic lenses and will allow you to get some wonderful macro images (if you have or can learn the skills). Both are very affordable too.

Ignore the FF vs crop thing.

+1
I have used the Tamron (earlier version) and it's very good - personally I prefer the Canon 100 F2.8 (non L) which is why I went for one. This was mainly down to handling and availability as either will produce excellent images. I have tried some other Macro lenses and can see no reason to change my Canon 100 F2.8.
The Canon 100 F2.8 (non L) and the Tamron 90 F2.8 are both going at very reasonable prices secondhand these days.


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Apr 19, 2014 18:25 |  #10

Copidosoma wrote in post #16846781 (external link)
Wow, that is alot of overlap. You could probably sell 3/4 of those lenses and buy a Tamron/Canon macro with the proceeds.

That's the plan for now. The overlap occurred last week. I had ordered a 40d online and was waiting for it to arrive. While that was going on, I had family vacationing in FL that bumped into friends and they knew I was into photography so they gave my family a 40d with a few lenses to give to me. It was all practically new just without the boxes. They got back from vacation to surprise me with it the same day UPS dropped off the 40d I ordered for myself.

I'm not complaining at all. It was extremely nice of them. I'll be keeping the one they gave me, just looking to thin the lens heard a bit and I'm really wanting to get into macro stuff more.


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Apr 21, 2014 00:54 |  #11

modestglock26 wrote in post #16846767 (external link)
I have a stacked tube set that I've toyed with but I wanted to get a real macro lens and go the proper route this time.

Currently I've got:

50mm f/1.8
40mm pancake
Sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 APO DG Macro
Tamron 200-400mm
Canon 17-85mm EFS
Canon 28-105mm
Canon 28-135mm
Vivitar 28mm WA manual
Canon 70-300mm IS
Canon 35-80mm with the macro mod(very crude mod)

The Sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 APO DG Macro can reach a magnification of 1:2 at 300mm for some pretty good macro shots with long working distance. If you stop down to at least f/16 and use a flash for moving subjects/handheld, or tripod and remote release for still life photos, you will get pretty good results. Use your RAW processing software to eliminate chromatic aberration. An extension tube will get you a bit closer still.

The extension tubes with the 40mm has some good capabilities too if you are willing to get very close.


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Apr 21, 2014 01:13 |  #12

My best recommendation is to go over to the for sale thread buy or sell and look for a Canon 100mm 2.8 usm Macro. It is said to be Canon's best lens, silent focus and tack sharp. I had that lens and loved it, the only reason I sold it was to buy the 100L for the IS to shot handheld. It should be about $330 total or less and worth every penny.
While EF12 and EF25 will give you more magnification, you will lose the ability to focus to infinity.
I have used the EF25 myself with the macro lens to gain > 1:1 magnification.
You can't uses the lens as a normal lens, with them attached. THere is nothing wrong with that, but it is not a true 1:1 macro lens.


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Apr 21, 2014 12:12 |  #13

A true maro lens does not have to be 1:1. In fact most are not.


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Apr 21, 2014 12:25 |  #14

Canon 100mm f/2.8 (non-L) is the obvious answer for your needs. Like others have said, you'll fill the frame more at 1:1 on a crop sensor, but have the same magnification on either sensor. If you end up with more pixels in one vs the other will be a result of the pixel density of the specific camera you are using.

At 1:1 you will find a tripod will be extremely handy. DoF is razor thin wide open, so you will either focus stack or stop down. In either case, tripod is very handy. Magic Lantern can be very handy for focus stacking.

Lighting is also important, while ring lights are nice, an -off camera flash is very useful.

In addition to macro, the 100 f/2.8 makes a great portrait lens and probably gets as much time in that role as it does it's primary purpose.




  
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Apr 21, 2014 12:35 |  #15

Copidosoma wrote in post #16846751 (external link)
Tamron 90mm 2.8 macro
Canon 100mm 2.8 (non-L)

are both fantastic lenses and will allow you to get some wonderful macro images (if you have or can learn the skills). Both are very affordable too.

Ignore the FF vs crop thing.

Sigma 105 as well.


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