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Apr 28, 2014 15:17 |  #61

You have to be careful. You're assuming that everything you describe results in a better functioning product. It all sounds great, but how does it work? You know what happens when you assume?

That seems like a two-way street. I'm fine erring on this side of the aluminum vs. non-Griptilian-plastic debate.

A lot of hay is being made (okay, perhaps not "a lot," but there is sure some desperate latching onto) about bolt maintenance and for some reason the fact that RRS maintains a very helpful and practical blog discussing all the things EVERYONE should do with tripods to keep them functioning flawlessly is being looked at as some sort of admission of product failure. This is grasping.

It's your decision to compare loosening leg bolts with shattering cast spiders or the spontaneous disassembly of Gitzo apexes in the field, which I think is an obviously stark difference, but being critical of RRS choosing an adjustable method of securing the legs versus something permanent is a person's choice, especially in these times when even the most minute rhetoric gets elevated to significance. But a SIMPLE SOLUTION exists if you don't like that design choice - and it's a solution that if implemented at the factory that decides useability for others not possibly not wanting this is standard. To my knowledge, RRS still does not use Loctite on those bolts (even though the midstream change of Locktite useage in the feet, for example, suggests there are quite capable of making these changes if desired).

In the end we are talking about a "problem" with a simple solution. If only every problem faced within our hobby was so easy to address. I'm sure may others would love to be able to put a drop of Locktite on their disintegrated tripod spider or pick their lens off the ground and squeeze a tube of the stuff on their dented lens barrel and keep on trucking as if nothing happened.

That's an odd equivalency that has been established in the narrative of this thread.


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Apr 28, 2014 15:37 |  #62

Indecent Exposure wrote in post #16867667 (external link)
A lot of hay is being made (okay, perhaps not "a lot," but there is sure some desperate latching onto) about bolt maintenance and for some reason the fact that RRS maintains a very helpful and practical blog discussing all the things EVERYONE should do with tripods to keep them functioning flawlessly is being looked at as some sort of admission of product failure. This is grasping.

I'm not going to compare loosening leg bolts with shattering cast spiders or the spontaneous disassembly of Gitzo apexes in the field, which I think is an obviously stark difference, but being critical of RRS choosing an adjustable method of securing the legs versus something permanent is a person's choice, especially in these times when even the most minute rhetoric gets elevated to significance.

I'm sorry, but I disagree you about the grasping at straws (or hay)! My point earlier in the thread is that I have never had that problem of leg bolt loosening with my Series three Systematic, but have had it with my less expensive Feisol, both used over the same time period. I have found that a loose bolt on the Feisol fixed with Loctite loosens again nonetheless, which means having an unstable tripod at a critical moment and having to pull out the wrenches and missing a special shot. I wouldn't want to have to add checking the tripod leg bolts to the long list of things to check before going out to shoot.

My experience is that loosening bolts are the sign of a poorly engineered and/or inexpensive tripod, the whole point of which is stability! I have read above that others have had loosening with their Gitzo's, but that has not been my experience.

Having a blog that tells you how to fix their engineering mistake is not a solution. Fixing it is. It makes we wonder what else is out of whack.

I agree with you that this discussion should not approximate that of how many angels will fit on the head of a pin (I know that answer, BTW), but should be, as it is, a discussion of the young Turk versus the wisened champion. Oh, and give that aluminum block a chance to crack with some unforeseen stress. It may not be the perfect solution, and may have to be re-engineered. Those broken spiders on the Gitzos was one of those issues, and at least on the Systemics, has been fixed.


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Apr 28, 2014 15:53 |  #63

Well, it's moot anyway. If you contact RRS and order your tripod (which you have to do), mention that you want the tripod leg bolt secured and it will come that way.


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Apr 28, 2014 16:16 |  #64

Indecent Exposure wrote in post #16867766 (external link)
Well, it's moot anyway. If you contact RRS and order your tripod (which you have to do), mention that you want the tripod leg bolt secured and it will come that way.

I like your enthusiasm.


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Apr 28, 2014 16:20 |  #65

Haha


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Apr 28, 2014 21:32 |  #66

Great thread guys.


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