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May 06, 2014 11:45 |  #16

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well, the 7d is not 1300 bucks (was 1200 at full retain (which noone pays) and can be found often for under 1100.

Just going by the prices currently on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com …1688200382&pf_r​d_i=507846 (external link)

I'm sure the 6d and 24-105mm can be found for less, too.


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May 06, 2014 13:38 |  #17

gibbit1 wrote in post #16886020 (external link)
Just going by the prices currently on Amazon.

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Amazon doesn't necessarily have the best prices for camera gear




  
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May 06, 2014 13:43 |  #18

sorry i totally read that wrong. I thought you meant the 70d was 1300 bucks. so not only did I not read your post right but I also messed up in my reply because I linked a 70d and typed 7d lol.


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May 06, 2014 13:43 as a reply to  @ watt100's post |  #19

I have gone from a xsi, to a 50d, 60d, and current 7d. From what you said you shoot, I would pick up a 60d. 70d shines at video, which you don't need, the 7d shines in speed and complex focus system, you don't need. For landscape type stuff, there will be no difference really in image quality until you move to a FF....




  
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May 06, 2014 15:19 |  #20

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sorry i totally read that wrong. I thought you meant the 70d was 1300 bucks. so not only did I not read your post right but I also messed up in my reply because I linked a 70d and typed 7d lol.

Ah, no problem. Hey, the 6d is available as a refurb from Canon right now for $1291. Sell the XSi and the 15-85mm and grab a 24-105mm (about $730 white box) and you're in business with full-frame goodness. If you really are ready to "step up" from a Rebel, this would be a good way to do it.


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May 06, 2014 17:29 |  #21

Unrising Muffin wrote in post #16884065 (external link)
Thanks for your input. Yes, I've read most of the threads about 7D vs 70D and they all come down to "use the one you prefer". To me, it looks like XXD would have less of a learning curve than XD, but it's also quite a few bucks more. Plus, one I will need to buy a bunch of CF cards which is an added expense. Image quality seems to be very similar between the two of them, features are on par, the size seems to differ. So yes, that's why I'm asking for help from people ho handled both of them.

"Use the one you prefer" is indeed correct. You can't go wrong with either. I would personally choose a 7D because I like the extra custom functions and buttons. I'm a customization and button junkie. I hate scrolling through menus and I'll pay extra to reduce the need to. Other than that, there's no reason to go with a 7D over the 70D that I can think of except maybe a slightly larger viewfinder and an extra frame per second.


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May 06, 2014 18:14 |  #22

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Hello! I do mostly landscape and nature photography. I've been using my little XSi for a while now and my last photo trip made me understand why people have two bodies: I swapped lens at the very least 30 times in 2 days... what a pain.

So I'm looking to upgrade and while I'm at it, AF Microadjustment should be included to get the best out of my 70-200 (has some front focusing).

I was browsing yesterday and saw that both 7D and 70D would fit my needs (I do not shoot any video). I'm having a hard time choosing... anyone have experience shooting with both of them? How do they compare?

Heya,

If doing landscape & nature, unless full frame is out of the question, I would look at a refurb 6D instead of 7D/70D. I would only look at 7D/70D if you were shooting wildlife routinely. And of them, I'd get the 70D for the superior ISO performance and better MFA adjustment options, just a better overall camera for images. The 7D has the more robust autofocus sytem, but unless you're on the extreme end of wildlife photography (as in birds in flight, super fast ones, not just big birds and sitting birds), you won't need that. The 70D puts more pixels on your image, and slightly better quality with improved ISO performance. But the 6D is where I would truly be looking in your case based on what you said you shoot.

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May 06, 2014 18:41 |  #23

mine1 wrote in post #16885857 (external link)
well, the 7d is not 1300 bucks (was 1200 at full retain (which noone pays) and can be found often for under 1100.

I found a 7D at $750 used, 4k clicks. Price may very well win me over...

But re-reading all the posts here, I'm also leaning towards 6D.

**Sigh** ... so many options, so little money.




  
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May 06, 2014 18:50 |  #24

Unrising Muffin wrote in post #16886888 (external link)
I found a 7D at $750 used, 4k clicks. Price may very well win me over...

But re-reading all the posts here, I'm also leaning towards 6D.

**Sigh** ... so many options, so little money.

The XSi to 7D is not a major leap in image quality. Especially for landscape and nature.

This is where you will see a major leap with a full frame and way better sensor upgrade. The 6D.

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May 07, 2014 01:26 |  #25

MalVeauX wrote in post #16886905 (external link)
The XSi to 7D is not a major leap in image quality. Especially for landscape and nature.

Coming from a XSi to a 60D (which shares the same sensor as 7D) I can tell you it is a big leap going from XSi to a 7D. XSi doesn't even go higher than ISO 1600.


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May 07, 2014 04:26 |  #26

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Coming from a XSi to a 60D (which shares the same sensor as 7D) I can tell you it is a big leap going from XSi to a 7D. XSi doesn't even go higher than ISO 1600.

Compared to going from XSi -> 6D, it really is not, especially for landscape and nature. The 7D doesn't have awesome ISO performance either. He's paying half the cost of that camera alone just for the autofocus system. He'd be fine with the 60D for cheaper for the same thing. And it's still not a huge leap for the cost, compared to moving to full frame for the cost here, for what he shoots.

I still use the XSi to this day sometimes. It's image quality is quite decent. The 7D is slightly better, yes, but it's certainly not a massive leap in my book. Again, put this in the context of what the OP shoots. Landscape. The leap of XSi -> 7D is not nearly as big a deal as XSi -> 6D.

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May 07, 2014 05:30 |  #27

MalVeauX wrote in post #16887710 (external link)
Compared to going from XSi -> 6D, it really is not, especially for landscape and nature.

Everything is relative. Compared going from XSi - PHASE one, the leap is not big either from XSi - 6D if you talk DR. Everything is relative, but it jump is still remains big from XSi - 7D. I would know, I've gone from the XSi to 60D.


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May 07, 2014 05:56 |  #28

Unrising Muffin wrote in post #16886888 (external link)
I found a 7D at $750 used, 4k clicks. Price may very well win me over...

But re-reading all the posts here, I'm also leaning towards 6D.

**Sigh** ... so many options, so little money.

Well considering you're coming from XSi, you'll have better options with either body. The only reason why I would consider the 70D would be for the continuous AF with videos and having the latest model. The flip out screen is great for odd shots but really used it for when I did astrophotography with the 60D (which by the way is also a great body).

If you're shooting strictly nature/landscape, 6D is the way to go. I'd also use it for portraits. The XSi can be the second body for when you need that extra reach. Like Gonzo said, 24-105 f4L would pair up nicely. The bokeh is smoother; you should notice that with your 70-200 f/4L lens. Low light shooting and astrophotography it's breathtaking. The only downside with the 6D setup is the 15-85 will not work being an EF-S lens. You can always sell it with your XSi and fund for a better wide angle.

If you go with the 7D you'll still have the reach. The 8fps is awesome for sports/wildlife if you have any interest in that area. It's rugged; both the 6D and 7D feels very sturdy and heavy duty when the shutter clicks compared to any xxD bodies (though I haven't played around with the 70D yet so not sure about that one).

Get the 6D if you have zero interest or no plan on doing a lot of action shots and wildlife shooting any time soon. Get the 7D if you want all around versatile body with more options and/or you want to keep your lens setup.

70D if you want great video options on top :)




  
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May 07, 2014 07:58 |  #29

Your complain is that you change lenses too much. Are you just using the wrong lenses? Or is your plan to keep both XSi and whatever you buy and carry both on your nature hike?
A new body might not help with your problem. It will be a good upgrade in camera though.




  
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May 07, 2014 08:32 |  #30

Unrising Muffin wrote in post #16886888 (external link)
I found a 7D at $750 used, 4k clicks. Price may very well win me over...

But re-reading all the posts here, I'm also leaning towards 6D.

**Sigh** ... so many options, so little money.


6D is a very nice camera when it comes to photo quality.
Lot better than the 70 or 7 D.
But its a little more money, quality has a cost.
I remember buying in christmas from B&H a kit 6D with a bag,monopod,extra battery and memory card for $1500.
That was a real bargain......

A 70d is about $1000 in special....it has
7frame per second
19 af points
Swivel screen
Flash can be used as a commander also
Silent shutter

The 6D has
Better image quality, you can crop and it still looks great ..,believe me
Wider scenery
Better dynamic range, lots...
Only one cross type focus point, not as fast
Gps, wifi
Better resale value
Sd card
Lite compared to other cameras
Silent shutter
More expensive

So basically 70 d is fast....and great video and lots of focus points
And the 6D is great for landscape, better image quality, and resale




  
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