LR 5.2, Canon Pro-100 = prints not replicating color of processed images

Windows 7
Lightroom 5.2
Canon Pro-100
Canon .cr2 edited raws in LR5
Canon SG-201 Semi Gloss 50 pack that came with the printer. brand new paper.

Monitor calibrated with a Huey Pro.

SO i recently picked up a Pro-100 printer. 8 color dye printer and B&Ws seem to be pretty spot on to on screen image depiction but color prints are way off.

I've gone into print management in LR and choose both
Printer Mananged profile - seems most correct except darker then on screen
&
Canon <sg> 1/2 Photo semi gloss paper
Canon <sg> 3 photo semi gloss paper

Both of those profiles do not replicate color as depicted on screen.
I've played with the brightness and contrast adjusters.

I also tried both Perceptual and Relative options and the color still seems off compared to the screen.

What am I doing wrong here?

I see an INFO bubble pop up when I choose 1 of the 2 Canon profiles that said to turn off color management in the printer properties but I couldn't find any setting w/o the windows printer properties for that.

Also I can't find a definitive answer on what the difference between <sg> 1/2 and <sg> 3 is except 1/2 uses less ink.

In the printer driver on the main tab you need to select colour intensity to be manual. Then go to the sub menu and select the matching tab and select None. This will turn off the colour management in the printer driver. You will still need to select the relevant paper and other settings in the printer driver.

At the moment you have both LR and the printer driver doing colour management. This is what causes the problems with the colour in the prints.

Alan

ahhh ok I will look for this tonight! thanks

very strange. No difference in color output when I set it to manual and none.

I wonder if it has to do with the calibration on my Gateway FHD2400 and Nvidia Geforce GTX460 SLI cards.

Do you calibrate brightness and contrast of the monitor using the monitors adjustments or your video cards adjustments?

So i recalibrated my monitor, turned off all the lighting around the room and made it pitch black, monitor was the brightest light in the room.

subtly changes on monitor, color still sppears as I expect it too.

Printing on Canon Semi-Gloss 201 paper.
Changed local print drivers to no color manangement and ICM is NONE.

Printed 4x.

<sg> 1/2 photo semi gloss photo
Brightness default 0
Contrast default 0

<sg> 1/2 photo semi gloss photo
Brightness default +25
Contrast default +15

<sg> 3 photo semi gloss photo
Brightness default 0
Contrast default 0

<sg> 3 photo semi gloss photo
Brightness default +50
Contrast default +50

All 4 prints, specific blues are off. What should be a tealy color leans more on teh green spectrum.
Could my monitor calibration be off that badly? It's set to a D65 profile when corrected.
I checked against other's photos from the events and the car's colors are close to mine. purple, gold, teal.

This is the image in question. See the stars along the car come out a greenish color cast vs the tealy blue they are.

Did you actually check using soft proofing that the problem colour was actually in gamut for the printer? Some of those light blue colours can be problematic. I was getting an image ready to print today with a very bright red colour. Now with that particular profile I do loose some of the very brightest reds, but this looks as if it will end up being PINK! If one goes by the displayed proof, hit the gamut warning and actually it ends up almost looking fine, as it is supposed to be just about the same shade as the red of the gamut warning. It's the same with both Rel-colour or Perceptual as the rendering intent. This red will not fit in either sRGB or aRGB, the only colour space that seems to be able to hold it is ProPhotoRGB. Even worse though is that it is well within the display gamut.

Oh well.

Alan

do you select an icc profile linked to your printer and paper ? you should turn off color management in your printer, but make sure youre media selection is correct. then in lightroom you must turn off printer manages colours (ie: lightroom manages colours) and then select the icc profile linked to your printer and media. it should match what you selected in the print driver.
also proof your images. i dont use lightroom so i cant explain how to do it, but you should learn how to softproof. this will give you a render of what the final print will look like.

I tried using the ICC profile of Canon <SG> 1/2 Photo paper and Canon <SG> 3 Photo paper and both came out the same way.

I'll try the soft-proofing next.

LR makes Soft Proofing so easy that I always check it as part of my pre printing routine. LR's proof copies are useful too as it allows you to make changes to both the crop, so as to fit your paper size, as well as any possible changes you might need to keep colours in gamut. I also usually check simulate paper/ink although it seems to be a little OTT in reducing the apparent contrast compared to the final print.

At least if you know an image has problems with out of gamut colours (check both destination and monitor for a full view of the warnings) you won't be surprised when you get odd specific colour shifts in prints, or even finished JPEG files if you happen to be out of gamut for sRGB.

Alan

On my calibrated monitor I don't see any green tinge, only the blue. Not sure what tealy blue is, but absolutely no green.

Lowner wrote in post #16901550
On my calibrated monitor I don't see any green tinge, only the blue. Not sure what tealy blue is, but absolutely no green.

I believe he was describing the print while showing the on screen version. I suppose that if he had a calibrated scanner it could have been possible to do a side-by-side comparison, but then the color gamut of the scanner becomes one more source of color shift.

I agree with an earlier comment that possibly the wrong paper profile is being used although that shouldn't make a picture dark. My printer is a different model (9500 II) which doesn't have paper names <SG> 1/2 Photo Paper or <SG> 3 Photo Paper so I don't know what is the right answer for his paper/ink profile. Personally, I prefer Ilford and some other brands of third party paper. The Canon paper profiles haven't been as satisfactory as the others and they frequently give me slightly pinkish grays.

Also, in the Manual Adjustments pop-up > Color Settings tab, everything should be set to zero including brightness and contrast. Is your calibrator integrated into the monitor LUT so that adjustments are made automatically or is it necessary to manually perform adjustments like color temperature, brightness, contrast, and gamma? How bright is the monitor, in cd/m² and is the color temperature set to 6500K? If your monitor is set too bright, then prints may seem dark or drab. For best comparison, the monitor brightness ought to be somewhat comparable to looking at a print in good lighting.

@Lowner; correct, on screen calibrated they're a blue, not a deep dark blue but a lighter blue like teal but not quite in that spectrum.

@Bill Boehme; in LR, under print mangement, I see those profile names. I have some Ilford and Red River paper that I need to get the profiles for and give them a try.

That was my next thought, perhaps the Canon paper or Canon profiles aren't spot on and I would need something like the ColorMunki Photo profile maker to get the best.

I'm using a HueyPro calibrator and it asks to only see monitor brightness and contrast, not gamma. so gamma is at default hardware setting and adjusted via pantone software.

Color temp is also set via the pantone software, on the monitor itself it's set to 'user specified'

I just ordered a ColorMunki display calibrator to replace the huey and I'll give that a try.

I don't know what your setup is or if your printer is possibly off a bit but here's my experience with the PRO 100:

For me the Canon profiles and paper are right on with just the slightest tendency to print a bit dark. By contrast, Red River profiles almost always print too dark but, when adjusted in the LR print module to about +10 or +15, they are also very good. This could easily be because my monitor is too bright but it's manageable so I haven't changed it.

My monitor is a Dell 24" IPS type. When I got it, I found a profile for it on the internet and have used that successfully since. I suppose some day it will change and I will need to find a way to profile it myself, but, for now, the downloaded profile has worked great.

As you can tell, I have not spent a good deal of time getting everything balanced, nor have I needed to. The PRO 100, Canon paper, and Canon profiles have been quite good out of the box. I have also used some Ilford and Canson papers with their published profiles. The results with both Ilford and Canson have been equally reliable. The Ilford (sadly) have been the best.

ok so testing the soft proofing, comparing to image to the simulated printer/ink. the color remains the same.

the printout however, does not. Still comes out mis-colored.