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May 24, 2014 15:24 |  #1

Pros/Cons Canon 6D vs 5DMKIII

I'll be using this to shoot all types of genres....sports, wildlife, nature, and portraits.

And which has better files in your opinion?




  
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May 24, 2014 15:30 |  #2

Well, the 6d has 1 cross point so for action you'll need to use center point and crop in post; for portraits you can focus and recompose. I've not used the 6d but it is very similar to the 5d2 which I found to actually be pretty good for sports/action. The high ISO is a little better than the 5d3, and the 6d is smaller/lighter. It also has wifi if you're into that sort of thing.

The 5d3 is the best camera I have ever used, but it is obviously pricier and a little bigger/heavier.


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May 24, 2014 15:37 |  #3

timbop wrote in post #16927408 (external link)
Well, the 6d has 1 cross point so for action you'll need to use center point and crop in post; for portraits you can focus and recompose. I've not used the 6d but it is very similar to the 5d2 which I found to actually be pretty good for sports/action. The high ISO is a little better than the 5d3, and the 6d is smaller/lighter. It also has wifi if you're into that sort of thing.

The 5d3 is the best camera I have ever used, but it is obviously pricier and a little bigger/heavier.



This very well may be the deciding factor against the 6D:cry:




  
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May 24, 2014 16:41 |  #4

What lens do you have to use on either bodies ? ? ? A lens may make a bigger difference to your pictures depending on what you already have.


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May 24, 2014 16:42 |  #5

For relatively static photography the 6D is very hard to beat regardless of price.
Just my opinion but unless you are willing to spend a LOT of money (1DX) then the 5D3 is about the best all -round camera going! It is very good for sports/wildlife, not the very best - but close. It competes with the very best Canon's for landscape/macro/portra​it on pretty much equal terms = best all-round camera in my opinion.

P.S. given your stated needs it should be pretty much as good as it gets until something better is brought out - then it will be NEARLY as good as it gets!


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May 24, 2014 18:13 |  #6

johnf3f wrote in post #16927529 (external link)
For relatively static photography the 6D is very hard to beat regardless of price.
Just my opinion but unless you are willing to spend a LOT of money (1DX) then the 5D3 is about the best all -round camera going! It is very good for sports/wildlife, not the very best - but close. It competes with the very best Canon's for landscape/macro/portra​it on pretty much equal terms = best all-round camera in my opinion.

P.S. given your stated needs it should be pretty much as good as it gets until something better is brought out - then it will be NEARLY as good as it gets!


I was also looking at the Canon 1DsMKIV but I think I'd rather go with the 5DMKIII as my all around camera. 1DX as I cannot justify price to myself even if I was rich!!!
Im a hobbyist not a pro ;-)a

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May 25, 2014 01:57 |  #7

booju wrote in post #16927398 (external link)
Pros/Cons Canon 6D vs 5DMKIII

I'll be using this to shoot all types of genres....sports, wildlife, nature, and portraits.

And which has better files in your opinion?

I'm an owner of both, because I see them as complimentary. There are things the 6D is better at.
The 6D has a couple of major advantages.
Wifi, who wants an involometre when you can use an iPad with a huge live view screen as a wireless remote? Fantastic way to control landscape shots.
Image quality. High ISO is noticeably cleaner. Shadows have more tonal detail and less noise. It's a better sensor. Not by a large amount but it's quite noticeable if you regularly use both.
Light/small. For street photography, it is hard to beat the combination of a 6D and a 40mm pancake. I've had Leica users come up to me fascinated by this tiny DSLR lens.
Shutter volume There is nothing quieter than a 6D with silent mode on. And it's pretty quiet in normal mode, least violent full frame mirror you'll find.


5D Mark III.
LCD the screen is higher quality. It gives you a better idea of the colours and dynamic range of the final photo, it's also got a glass cover rather than a plastic cover making it more scratch proof.
AF in a totally different league. Not only is it great for action, but it's also great for fast primes. You can reliability get a f1.4 in focus almost every time, where with the 6D it's more like tricking the camera into doing what you want. The centre point isn't as good as the 5D3's AF points. It misses more often and it needs recompose. Or you can use the slow and unreliable outer points. But with the 5D3 it always works as expected, you just think what you want and it happens.
Image quality. ok so it's noisier has and crappier shadows compared to the 6D. But I notice the 5D3 sensor in non-demanding conditions has more saturation and better colour tones, out of a pure raw file.
DOF preview button. Finally it's in a sane location.


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May 25, 2014 05:37 |  #8

Here are 3 side by side 100% cropped images from the 6d vs 5d3, zero nr. I leave the conclusions to others on the high iso differences.

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May 25, 2014 06:43 |  #9

I find the difference to be about half a stop, depending in the setting it can be less. Here's an example at ISO 25600. 100% crop of a random shot.

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May 25, 2014 06:48 |  #10

Exposures or resulting jpg images anyways aren't the same. I have looked at 2 different 6Ds vs 5D3s, and have never seen a difference like that. It appears the 5D3 was exposed lower and brought up afterwards? The 5D3 shows that it was processed differently based on the ranges in the histogram. What software was used to process the raw and produce the JPG? When I level them to be nearly identical, the noise seems pretty similar as well. I think something else is causing the noise differences you are seeing, software-wise, vs sensor differences.


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May 25, 2014 07:09 |  #11

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Exposures or resulting jpg images anyways aren't the same. I have looked at 2 different 6Ds vs 5D3s, and have never seen a difference like that. It appears the 5D3 was exposed lower and brought up afterwards? The 5D3 shows that it was processed differently based on the ranges in the histogram. What software was used to process the raw and produce the JPG? When I level them to be nearly identical, the noise seems pretty similar as well. I think something else is causing the noise differences you are seeing, software-wise, vs sensor differences.

Lightroom. Same exposure settings, just out putted to JPEG.
Natural light though within a few minutes in early morning so I can't promise conditions didn't change. And a different lens which may have different light transmission.


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May 25, 2014 07:16 |  #12

Here's a perhaps more controlled example at ISO 25600 from dpreview's comparison page.

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And 6400.

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Mornnb wrote in post #16928283 (external link)
I'm an owner of both, because I see them as complimentary. There are things the 6D is better at.
The 6D has a couple of major advantages.
Wifi, who wants an involometre when you can use an iPad with a huge live view screen as a wireless remote? Fantastic way to control landscape shots.
Image quality. High ISO is noticeably cleaner. Shadows have more tonal detail and less noise. It's a better sensor. Not by a large amount but it's quite noticeable if you regularly use both.
Light/small. For street photography, it is hard to beat the combination of a 6D and a 40mm pancake. I've had Leica users come up to me fascinated by this tiny DSLR lens.
Shutter volume There is nothing quieter than a 6D with silent mode on. And it's pretty quiet in normal mode, least violent full frame mirror you'll find.


5D Mark III.
LCD the screen is higher quality. It gives you a better idea of the colours and dynamic range of the final photo, it's also got a glass cover rather than a plastic cover making it more scratch proof.
AF in a totally different league. Not only is it great for action, but it's also great for fast primes. You can reliability get a f1.4 in focus almost every time, where with the 6D it's more like tricking the camera into doing what you want. The centre point isn't as good as the 5D3's AF points. It misses more often and it needs recompose. Or you can use the slow and unreliable outer points. But with the 5D3 it always works as expected, you just think what you want and it happens.
Image quality. ok so it's noisier has and crappier shadows compared to the 6D. But I notice the 5D3 sensor in non-demanding conditions has more saturation and better colour tones, out of a pure raw file.
DOF preview button. Finally it's in a sane location.

Very fair and accurate IMO. However, not sure about the "just think what you want part".

Every reviewer agrees that the High ISO on the 6D is superior ("due to a better sensor") and your comparison pictures prove it. However, I truly wish th 6D had the larger 3.2 inch LCD found on the 5D3. There is room on the 6D for a larger LCD. Hopefully on the 6D II!


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May 25, 2014 08:09 |  #14

My only real complaint about the 6D is the lack of AF points. I came from a 1DMKii which used a 21 point system; the 11 point system does annoy me quite often, but not enough to justify the price difference for a 5DMKiii....just yet.


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May 25, 2014 08:19 |  #15

Bakewell wrote in post #16928601 (external link)
Very fair and accurate IMO. However, not sure about the "just think what you want part".

It's easy to change modes and with the joystick it's easy to select the AF points, you get to a point where controlling the 5D3's AF feels automatic, like driving a car after a year of driving. It's reliable and accurate to such an extent that you don't need to worry about it, you set the appropriate mode, shoot, it just obeys you and nails it.
Where using the 6D AF, you're in a mode of 'trust nothing verify every shot'. This being said though, I've never ran into a situation I couldn't manage to shoot with the 6D's AF system, it's good enough to get the job done. The 5D3's much more pleasant to use but I'm not sure if this reflects in results.


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