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Feb 17, 2016 18:10 |  #1787

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Feb 17, 2016 19:20 |  #1788

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Feb 17, 2016 23:25 |  #1789

This is a fella that live across the road until the death of his father.
His name is Bill and hadn't worked in something like 20 years due to some illness.
Which until he moved out of the family home once someone bought it I never knew what was wrong with him.
I am at the same age as he is and at the time of this shot he was in the early 50's.
I personally don't think time has done him many favours.
And looking at his fingers all covered in nicotine from his roll your own smokes.
But I think he has an interesting face with the lines all over.
I no longer see him doe to him moving away but I think of him from time to time.


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Feb 18, 2016 00:52 |  #1790

01Ryan10 wrote in post #17902510 (external link)
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Did you edit her mouth in some way?
Overall the image is nice but as soon as I saw it something in my head said "wrong" about the mouth. Did you do some form of editing on the mouth? Either reshape it or adjust the colour?


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Feb 18, 2016 06:25 |  #1791

Dan Marchant wrote in post #17902870 (external link)
Did you edit her mouth in some way?
Overall the image is nice but as soon as I saw it something in my head said "wrong" about the mouth. Did you do some form of editing on the mouth? Either reshape it or adjust the colour?

Another one of those 'I didn't notice it until you mentioned it' things. But on a second look, you are right on the money, Dan.

There is something kind of off. It definitely looks to have been altered.


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Feb 18, 2016 07:25 |  #1792

Dan Marchant wrote in post #17902870 (external link)
Did you edit her mouth in some way?
Overall the image is nice but as soon as I saw it something in my head said "wrong" about the mouth. Did you do some form of editing on the mouth? Either reshape it or adjust the colour?

saea501 wrote in post #17903014 (external link)
Another one of those 'I didn't notice it until you mentioned it' things. But on a second look, you are right on the money, Dan.

There is something kind of off. It definitely looks to have been altered.

I don't know guys. The proportion of her medial cleft (indentation of the upper lip) is a little shorter than average, which can fool with our perception of everything else around the mouth. But overall, I think the model is within spec. ;-)a


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Feb 18, 2016 08:21 |  #1793

I had a feeling that something was off with her lips, too. I see them as being very flat as if the lipstick wasn't glossy but almost like a thin layer of velour. The rest of her face does have a lot of soft reflections, her eyes have nice catch lights but the lips are really flat to me :)


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Feb 18, 2016 08:25 |  #1794

itsallart wrote in post #17903107 (external link)
but the lips are really flat to me :)

I couldn't see that on my mobile when I responded earlier, but I do see it now.


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Feb 18, 2016 08:41 |  #1795

I think I've got it.

The taper of her upper lip on her right is sharper than on her left, making the right third of her lip look thinner than her left. It looks like just an illusion due to the angle of this particular picture.

That, combined with Renata's observation, is making things look a little odd.


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Feb 18, 2016 10:35 |  #1796

Dan Marchant wrote in post #17902870 (external link)
Did you edit her mouth in some way?
Overall the image is nice but as soon as I saw it something in my head said "wrong" about the mouth. Did you do some form of editing on the mouth? Either reshape it or adjust the colour?

Yeah...I tried to even out the color on her lips. It is now the next day, and I too do not like it. lol.


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Feb 18, 2016 10:41 |  #1797

Since there is so much intrigue...

Here she is straight off the camera...

You can see why I tried to retouch her lips, but admittedly, I'm a noob at lip retouching. Next time, I'll be more cognizant of details like this and ask the model to reapply some more lipstick.

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Feb 18, 2016 12:01 |  #1798

You evened them out to much. There are others on here far more capable of suggesting solutions than I but for a first attempt I would copy the lips onto a separate layer then using the clone tool, working very close up I would retouch the color again working almost pixel by pixel. Sample from the area immediately below where I needed to touch up. Use a small, soft clone tool. Once done I would zoom back out and reduce the opacity of the layer until I had the color mostly filled in but it didn't really draw attention. If I was really forced I might use a tiny bit of Gaussian blur to finish covering my tracks. Then and this is probably most important save it including layers and go back to look at it again tomorrow! ;-)a

You are right it is far easier to have the model reapply he lipstick. With that having been said I know from experience how easy it is to miss a detail like that until you sit down to edit.


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Feb 18, 2016 12:36 |  #1799

Bill is correct that you evened them out too much. I paint photo realistic portraits in my "real" profession and the lips looked really way too flat to me. Have a look here, this is an oil painting. The lips have so many subtle color changes and this is what makes a face look very 3D on a flat surface. See the highlights, shadows etc? :)


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Feb 18, 2016 12:40 |  #1800

Beautifully done Renata! I am most impressed with your painting!


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