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May 29, 2014 09:41 |  #16

DreDaze wrote in post #16938052 (external link)
i dunno...you wanted to be talked out of it...i'm just coming up with reasons :)

haha well i appreciate it, I think I'll hold off, this thread plus being at work as calmed me down now.


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May 29, 2014 09:50 |  #17

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would your shop sell me one without tax?


I would be a little more worried about shipping... to mars!


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May 29, 2014 10:01 as a reply to  @ lilkngster's post |  #18

Does anybody have any real word experience of AF accuracy? My 50/1.4EX was terrible.

MFA is useless when there's no consistency.


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May 29, 2014 10:08 |  #19

KeenanRIVALS wrote in post #16938047 (external link)
Yeah I think with the crop it becomes a 80mm f/2.24 or whatever, I've thought about upgrading my camera, is the 6D really that much better than the 60D, my primary focus is video...

If your primary focus is really video, then you should sell the 60D and buy a 70D. The video focus is REALLY nice. Play with it some the next time your in your camera shop.




  
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Jun 01, 2014 12:03 |  #20

http://www.popphoto.co​m …-50mm-f14-dg-hsm-art-lens (external link)
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"In terms of our SQF test, the new Sigma beat out the 50mm f/1.4 offerings from Canon, Nikon, Sony and the Sony Zeiss. However the original Sigma 50mm f/1.4 EX lens and the monstrous Zeiss 55mm Otus lens did edge it out, ever so slightly. Oddly enough, the Sigma 50mm f/1.4 EX still holds the title of being our benchmark for 50mm f/1.4’s in this test."

I have both the Sig50Art and Sig50Classic. The highly regarded bokeh is virtually identical. And both are less busier than the 50L. The Sig50Art wins out on sharpness if you pixel peep or need to enlarge (do you really need to?)

http://www.imatest.com​/docs/sqf/ (external link) explains what sqf means.


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Jun 01, 2014 14:03 as a reply to  @ snake0ape's post |  #21

KeenanRIVALS wrote in post #16938018 (external link)
Procam in Livonia

Damn it! If I had the money I'd head up there right now and grab it (love procam. They have gone out of their way to get me lenses on two different occasions). But I find I like a 5mm0 lens paired up with the 18-35A

But if you don't like or don't use the 50mm focal length then it would just be a Easter of money.




  
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Jun 01, 2014 15:09 |  #22

I have it and love it. It is pretty freaking awesome. That said, I would get a 6d before a 50art in your case no question.


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Jun 01, 2014 18:49 |  #23

Buy the 50L, the siggy cant do f/1.2. Done 8-)


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Jun 01, 2014 20:31 |  #24

Don't be a doofus. The vanilla Sigma 50mm f/1.4 is a lot less money. The Canon is less that that. How often do you really need a really sharp 50mm anyway? And that thing weighs a ton!



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Jun 01, 2014 20:38 |  #25

KeenanRIVALS wrote in post #16937960 (external link)
So my shop just got in a the Sigma 50mm f/1.4... To be honest I don't know if a prime lens is truly a NEED right now, but I like the idea of gear. The fact that its in stock and I can go pick it up is very tempting...

Heya,

You have an 18-35 F1.8, so I don't see the reason to get a 50 F1.4 for your crop camera. It's not going to look like the images you've seen, as the depth of field you produce at F1.4 on a crop will be different than that of a full frame, given the same frame up, because the distance to target will be different (you will be closer for the same frame up with the full frame, making a thinner depth of field).

When shooting, you should know what focal length you need for a situation. Not just buy a focal length and find a need for it. At least, that's what I think. But this is why zooms are convenient for some. And why primes are perfect for others. If you don't know you need a 50mm and you want a 50mm for the sake of having it (I don't think it's an important focal length on APS-C honestly, 35mm is better in my opinion), look to the original sigma 50 F1.4, used, as they will be for sale anyways now. I would think you'd be more interested in the 35 F1.4 ART on APS-C.

Frankly, 50mm is one of those common focal lengths that I don't find that interesting. I suppose if it's your favorite field of view, it works.

That said, while the 50 ART is a superb lens. I would gladly take one if given one for free. But I won't buy one.

(These examples are from today, this morning):

I'm fairly comfortable shooting this fully manual $40 Helios 44-2 which is a 58mm F2 lens that is 20+ years old that I adapted to my Canons:

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And this fully manual $60 fungus-filled Super Takumar 50mm F1.4, that is pretty old too, and adapted to Canon:

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Again, I'll take a 50 ART for cheap or free. But I'm not dropping $900 for it. It's great. But is it that great for what you do? That's the real question. It makes no sense for me. So unless you know you need that focal length at that aperture, then it makes no sense for you either. And well, I can do the above with what most around here consider "junk" or "toys."

I actually have more fun with 35mm:

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Jun 01, 2014 21:55 |  #26

You guys sure did a great job at talking me out of it, but I did go against purchasing it, I was able to go to the store and walk out without the lens so major props to me. In terms of use, I would obviously find a use, but I ultimately see myself reverting back to the 18-35 1.8 when doing street photographer because of the different focal length options.

Sometimes when you have extra cash its easy to get caught into the hype of gear and own lenses simply for status vs ultimate need. I would love this lens, but I think there may be some more important options out there for me at the time.


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Jun 01, 2014 22:03 |  #27

KeenanRIVALS wrote in post #16945432 (external link)
You guys sure did a great job at talking me out of it, but I did go against purchasing it, I was able to go to the store and walk out without the lens so major props to me. In terms of use, I would obviously find a use, but I ultimately see myself reverting back to the 18-35 1.8 when doing street photographer because of the different focal length options.

Sometimes when you have extra cash its easy to get caught into the hype of gear and own lenses simply for status vs ultimate need. I would love this lens, but I think there may be some more important options out there for me at the time.

Bravo sir.

Put that effort and time into your photography, and not into acquisition of gear.

When I feel the burn to buy something, I just buy old vintage lenses and challenge myself to do good photography with inexpensive stuff. I play with my expensive toys when it matters. But when the itch is too hard to scratch, buying a $9 or $35 lens and doing good things with it is very rewarding versus buying a $1k lens and producing "snapshots." Right? Just a thought.

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Jun 02, 2014 10:05 |  #28

if you want to fly first class, keep saving for an Otus. No doubt it's a great $4,000 "normal" lens. Anybody else notice the oxymoron?

PS - CZ will be issuing additional Otus offerings: 85mm this year with more in the pipeline.




  
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Jun 02, 2014 10:09 |  #29

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Bravo sir.

Put that effort and time into your photography, and not into acquisition of gear.

When I feel the burn to buy something, I just buy old vintage lenses and challenge myself to do good photography with inexpensive stuff. I play with my expensive toys when it matters. But when the itch is too hard to scratch, buying a $9 or $35 lens and doing good things with it is very rewarding versus buying a $1k lens and producing "snapshots." Right? Just a thought.

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shot part of an event gig this past Friday night with a 13 year old Canon Powershot G2 (about $20 on fleabay). Ugh. It has a 1.8" LCD (postage stamp sized). desperate times called for desperate measures - my fast zoom totally crapped out - AF quit working. thank god for the G2. I still got the shots - ugh - at ISO 100 indoors - ugh again.




  
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Jun 02, 2014 10:14 |  #30

MalVeauX wrote in post #16945441 (external link)
Bravo sir.

Put that effort and time into your photography, and not into acquisition of gear.

When I feel the burn to buy something, I just buy old vintage lenses and challenge myself to do good photography with inexpensive stuff. I play with my expensive toys when it matters. But when the itch is too hard to scratch, buying a $9 or $35 lens and doing good things with it is very rewarding versus buying a $1k lens and producing "snapshots." Right? Just a thought.

Very best,

Great advice, imho. And very nice bokeh on those baby portraits. First time I've liked the "feel" of the Helios. Hmmmm. I struggle to appreciate that choppy, blocky, heavy swirly look - that I associate with images from these rusky lenses.




  
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