Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Digital Cameras 
Thread started 05 Jun 2014 (Thursday) 12:46
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

6D Noise at ISO 100 in studio

 
dcooper
Mostly Lurking
16 posts
Joined Apr 2014
     
Jun 05, 2014 12:46 |  #1

Hi there

Please can you guys help.

I was just testing out my Studio strobes on a new 6D, and I as shooting a wine bottle in my home studio, at different exposures, but all at ISO 100, (the best exposure being at ISO 100, f11, 1/125th of a second). However, I can see fine light specks of noise on a dark area of the background on the Raw file, when zoomed in, in Lightroom.

The f11 picture was exposed correctly, yet zoomed in I can see those specks, in a dark portion of the background. Is this normal on the 6D at ISO 100? Every photo that I took that was more underexposed had the same issue, but worse, especially when I was very underexposed.

Using Luminance and Colour Noise reduction in Lightroom gets rid of the noise, yet, correct me if I am wrong, should there not be any noise at ISO 100, in dark areas of a photo?

Thanks,


D.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Alan ­ Rubio
Senior Member
Avatar
837 posts
Likes: 15
Joined Feb 2010
Location: Miami, FL
     
Jun 05, 2014 12:47 |  #2

Can you post a photo for reference?


"Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive and then go do that. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive." -Howard Thurman

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
gonzogolf
dumb remark memorialized
30,917 posts
Gallery: 561 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 14912
Joined Dec 2006
     
Jun 05, 2014 12:51 |  #3

When you zoom in.... What sort of zoom percentage are we talking here? This sounds suspiciously like pixel peeping.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
dcooper
THREAD ­ STARTER
Mostly Lurking
16 posts
Joined Apr 2014
     
Jun 05, 2014 12:56 |  #4

imbillkamal wrote in post #16953721 (external link)
Can you post a photo for reference?

I can post a jpeg, but you will just see overly compressed Jpeg block compression and posterization. I don't think I can post the cr2.

Thanks.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
dcooper
THREAD ­ STARTER
Mostly Lurking
16 posts
Joined Apr 2014
     
Jun 05, 2014 13:01 |  #5

gonzogolf wrote in post #16953730 (external link)
When you zoom in.... What sort of zoom percentage are we talking here? This sounds suspiciously like pixel peeping.


I can see faint specks at 1:1 & more obvious at 3:1.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
BigAl007
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
8,119 posts
Gallery: 556 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 1682
Joined Dec 2010
Location: Repps cum Bastwick, Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk, UK.
     
Jun 05, 2014 13:24 |  #6

Of course you will see noise if you look that close on a subject that is underexposed, or just simply very dark. For low values of signal the signal to noise ratio is generally always much higher than for high levels of signal. A variation in the value of a single channel of a single pixel of +-3, is a 50% error when the signal value should be 6 and will be pretty noticeable. Increase that signal value to 128 and the error is only 2.3% or barely noticeable. This is why using Expose To The Right is a good idea in general. When you have a relatively dark subject, or even worse a well out of focus, but very dark background then using ETTR becomes really important. It enables you to increase the SNR in the dark areas without the need to use any NR. Of course you have to shoot RAW and only use non expanded full ISO stops. What it gives you is both less noise and potentially more detail in those shadows/dark areas.

Alan


alanevans.co.uk (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
ERJL
Senior Member
Avatar
384 posts
Joined Dec 2012
Location: Sacramento, CA
     
Jun 05, 2014 13:32 |  #7
bannedPermanent ban

Have you have applied some sort of shadow recovery during processing?


-ERJL

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
MakisM1
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
5,773 posts
Gallery: 50 photos
Likes: 550
Joined Dec 2011
Location: Houston
     
Jun 05, 2014 13:32 |  #8

dcooper wrote in post #16953770 (external link)
I can see faint specks at 1:1 & more obvious at 3:1.

At 300% magnification, if this is what you mean by 3:1, you are making your own noise via browser interpolation.


Gerry
Canon R6 MkII/Canon 5D MkIII/Canon 60D/Canon EF-S 18-200/Canon EF 24-70L USM II/Canon EF 70-200L 2.8 USM II/Canon EF 50 f1.8 II/Σ 8-16/Σ 105ΕΧ DG/ 430 EXII
OS: Linux Ubuntu/PostProcessing: Darktable/Image Processing: GIMP

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
joedlh
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
5,513 posts
Gallery: 52 photos
Likes: 684
Joined Dec 2007
Location: Long Island, NY, N. America, Sol III, Orion Spur, Milky Way, Local Group, Virgo Cluster, Laniakea.
     
Jun 05, 2014 13:43 |  #9

This sounds to me like you're pixel peeping. Stop doing that. It is the sure road to clinical depression and financial ruin. All for naught.


Joe
Gear: Kodak Instamatic, Polaroid Swinger. Oh you meant gear now. :rolleyes:
http://photo.joedlh.ne​t (external link)
Editing ok

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
battletone
Senior Member
Avatar
503 posts
Gallery: 8 photos
Likes: 76
Joined Sep 2009
     
Jun 05, 2014 15:17 |  #10

Coming from an XSI, I thought there was noise too at ISO 100. ...but then I back out and got a print made. It's the cleanest photos I have ever made.


Cameras: 5D Mark IV, EOS 3, Elan 7
Lenses:15mm 2.8 fisheye, 16-35mm 2.8L II, 24-70mm 2.8L II, 85mm 1.8, 100mm 2.8L, 70-200L II IS
Tripod: Gitzo GT2531, Arca-Swiss Z1, RRS PC-LR
Lights: Photogenic PL1250 x2, 1500SL x1, Canon 580ex, YN 568ex II

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
BrickR
Cream of the Crop
5,935 posts
Likes: 115
Joined Mar 2011
Location: Dallas TX
     
Jun 05, 2014 16:03 |  #11

MakisM1 wrote in post #16953829 (external link)
At 300% magnification, if this is what you mean by 3:1, you are making your own noise via browser interpolation.

joedlh wrote in post #16953847 (external link)
This sounds to me like you're pixel peeping. Stop doing that. It is the sure road to clinical depression and financial ruin. All for naught.

WORD bw!


My junk
The grass isn't greener on the other side, it's green where you water it.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
dcooper
THREAD ­ STARTER
Mostly Lurking
16 posts
Joined Apr 2014
     
Jun 06, 2014 05:38 as a reply to  @ BrickR's post |  #12

Thanks for your help guys.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Canon_Shoe
Goldmember
Avatar
1,311 posts
Gallery: 26 photos
Best ofs: 4
Likes: 550
Joined Jan 2012
Location: Kihei, HI
     
Jun 06, 2014 09:43 |  #13

My advice is to make a test print. All of the things you see wrong on your screen with regards to noise and artifacts usually don't show up on a print. There's also a conversion from pixels to dots that happens when you print so most of the sharpening artifacts you see don't show up unless it's overdone


Facebook-- http://www.facebook.co​m/AndrewShoemakerPhoto​graphy (external link)
Website----http://andrewshoemaker​photography.com/ (external link)
Nikon D810, Nikon 14-24, Nikon 24-70 F/2.8 VR, Nikon 70-200 VR II

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Aki78
Senior Member
Avatar
963 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 34
Joined Jun 2006
Location: New Hampshire USA
     
Jun 06, 2014 12:28 |  #14

joedlh wrote in post #16953847 (external link)
This sounds to me like you're pixel peeping. Stop doing that. It is the sure road to clinical depression and financial ruin. All for naught.

Buahaha so true though :lol:




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Palladium
Goldmember
3,905 posts
Likes: 2
Joined Dec 2005
Location: Not the Left Coast but the Right Coast - USA
     
Jun 06, 2014 12:36 |  #15

Canon_Shoe wrote in post #16955441 (external link)
My advice is to make a test print. All of the things you see wrong on your screen with regards to noise and artifacts usually don't show up on a print. There's also a conversion from pixels to dots that happens when you print so most of the sharpening artifacts you see don't show up unless it's overdone

plus one bw!




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

3,806 views & 0 likes for this thread, 13 members have posted to it.
6D Noise at ISO 100 in studio
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Digital Cameras 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is Mihai Bucur
1162 guests, 118 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.