7D2/staying crop in the future.

As mentioned in the thread about DPP 4, for a number of years, DPP was only provided with the 1D cameras. I wouldn't be surprised if they are heading that way again...

smythie wrote in post #16986672
As mentioned in the thread about DPP 4, for a number of years, DPP was only provided with the 1D cameras. I wouldn't be surprised if they are heading that way again...

Na, too easy to add in the other cameras and there is no benefit to Canon to limit support. They probably tested for the 4 models and released it and are porting the other.

whiteflyer wrote in post #16986660
As I've said in another tread the new DPP 4 is full frame only, Canon have proven you don't need crops anymore for frame rates ( APS-H dropped from 1D IV on 1DX ) I believe canon will move to full frame only for ALL new cameras.

Gods! Not this rubbish again!

There are many reasons why many people prefer APS-C. If you're too blinkered to figure them out for yourself I suggest you read one of the 1827 threads on the topic.

hollis_f wrote in post #16987037
Gods! Not this rubbish again!

There are many reasons why many people prefer APS-C. If you're too blinkered to figure them out for yourself I suggest you read one of the 1827 threads on the topic.

Its not what people prefer, but what Canon will make , many people would prefer APS-H but they can't have it anymore.

whiteflyer wrote in post #16987258
Its not what people prefer, but what Canon will make , many people would prefer APS-H but they can't have it anymore.

You seem to have the unrealistic belief that manufacturers are guided in their gear offerings by some idealistic goal to drive photography to a place where it needs to be. Au contraire mon ami, they are guided by what makes money. No doubt they dropped the APS-H because they didn't have the sales to support it. The decision to drop APS-C or not will be guided by whether or not it is profitable, nothing more, nothing less.

Nevertheless, I'm sure that their marketing department would smile on your opinion, as they can sell more expensive cameras to people like you.

whiteflyer wrote in post #16986660
As I've said in another tread the new DPP 4 is full frame only, Canon have proven you don't need crops anymore for frame rates ( APS-H dropped from 1D IV on 1DX ) I believe canon will move to full frame only for ALL new cameras.

This seems highly unlikely to me. Canon sell WAY more crop camera's than full frame. Offering only full frame would push prices too high for most Rebel owners and only drive those people to other manufacturers.

whiteflyer wrote in post #16987258
Its not what people prefer, but what Canon will make , many people would prefer APS-H but they can't have it anymore.

They don't make it anymore because it didn't sell well. The only reason they really made APS-H to my knowledge was that it allowed for faster frame and refresh rates. They were only used in top end 1D cameras which they can now get those frame rates and refresh rates through 35mm sensors, so there's no real reason to keep that format. APS-C sensors have more advantages than just that and their biggest advantage is and will always be that they're cheaper to produce than FF sensors. APS-C isn't going anywhere for a good long while.

joedlh wrote in post #16987307
You seem to have the unrealistic belief that manufacturers are guided in their gear offerings by some idealistic goal to drive photography to a place where it needs to be...............The decision to drop APS-C or not will be guided by whether or not it is profitable, nothing more, nothing less.

I certainly don't believe its guided by what we want.

Of course profit is king,and lets not forget APS-C was a cost driven format right from the very start,it came about due to the high cost of making full frame sensors, but with the 6D we can see that cost must coming down.

To me there is an evolution in Canon full frame line-up and its moving down the consumer groups, a trend I'm expecting to continue.

whiteflyer wrote in post #16987386
I certainly don't believe its guided by what we want.

Of course profit is king,and lets not forget APS-C was a cost driven format right from the very start,it came about due to the high cost of making full frame sensors, but with the 6D we can see that cost must coming down.

To me there is an evolution in Canon full frame line-up and its moving down the consumer groups, a trend I'm expecting to continue.

Considering the 6D body still costs $1000 more than the 60D (it's closest crop equivalent), I'd say that's a stretch. As FF sensors get cheaper to produce, so do APS-C sensors. They'll always be cheaper.

whiteflyer wrote in post #16987258
Its not what people prefer, but what Canon will make

Which is determined by what people will buy...

Which is determined by what people prefer.

APS-H presumably stopped selling because loads of people were in my situation. I'd been saving up for a 1D when Canon released the 7D. Suddenly the huge price of the 1D didn't seem to make sense.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16987393
Considering the 6D body still costs $1000 more than the 60D (it's closest crop equivalent), I'd say that's a stretch. As FF sensors get cheaper to produce, so do APS-C sensors. They'll always be cheaper.

Your right 70D to 6D is £650 (60D isn't list on UK price buster site ? ) which is a big jump.
In fact looking at the price list the 7D looks very close to a 70D at just £50 more.

In not fully clued up on the two models 70D & 7D and having a VERY quick look at the specs, not sure which is range topper , but price wise they'll need something in a new model to justify what I would expect to be a price hike.

I know I'm looking at retail and not manufacture recommend prices.

Now how did the Jam song go from the 80s

People get what they want....... people want what they get,

whiteflyer wrote in post #16987454
Your right 70D to 6D is £650 (60D isn't list on UK price buster site ? ) which is a big jump.
In fact looking at the price list the 7D looks very close to a 70D at just £50 more.

In not fully clued up on the two models 70D & 7D and having a VERY quick look at the specs, not sure which is range topper , but price wise they'll need something in a new model to justify what I would expect to be a price hike.

I know I'm looking at retail and not manufacture recommend prices.

Now how did the Jam song go from the 80s

People get what they want....... people want what they get,

There's plenty of room for improvement on the 7D. And being a 5 yr old camera compared to the 70D which just came out in the last year, it still has a faster framerate and a larger buffer. No doubt the next 7D will knock the socks off of that. But if they released something with those kinds of specs AND full frame, it would be called a 1D.

It's not rocket science. Trust me. I build rockets.

hollis_f wrote in post #16987394
APS-H presumably stopped selling because loads of people were in my situation. I'd been saving up for a 1D when Canon released the 7D. Suddenly the huge price of the 1D didn't seem to make sense.

Or it could have been that Canon found it too expensive to maintain three seperate production configurations.

1D sales dropped for four reasons.

In no particular order;

-1DIII reputation
-7D
-5D3
-Well priced and specked competitive models from Nikon.

Prior to 7D and 5D3 there was only ONE option from Canon for action photography.

Prior to the 1D3 the 1D series had a rock solid reputation for being the best action camera of all brands, and Canon had a reputation of supporting the Camera and it's owners.

D4 from Nikon really competes well with the 1D, as do more affordable Nikons

hollis_f wrote in post #16987394
Which is determined by what people will buy...

Which is determined by what people prefer .

What rubbish!

Canon provide products that are relative to advances in technology and not just what people simply want.

To follow that school of thought means they'd still be making film cameras!!!