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Sep 13, 2017 15:19 |  #1261

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Made my first strobe purchase and now I can post here!

Used the Neewer Vision5 TTL 400ws light on my subject, a local singer. Both shots through a 31" octabox.
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Great job! Are you happy with that strobe?
Would it be safe to say, The snoot lighting from the inside would give it a " hot spot" on the modifier with out something in the modifier to spread the light?


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Sep 13, 2017 15:53 |  #1262

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Great job! Are you happy with that strobe?
Would it be safe to say, The snoot lighting from the inside would give it a " hot spot" on the modifier with out something in the modifier to spread the light?

I'd say 95% so far. After about 15 minutes it lost connection. The flash would fire via the test button, but not the remote. Shut down strobe and test, no good. Shut down remote and test, no good. Shut down both for about 30 seconds and it worked. Not sure what was up with that, but we were under high tension lines, so I'll chalk it up to that for now.

As far as a "snoot", there is a 7" reflector that the umbrella slides through (see photo) that did keep the spread from its full potential, so I will be looking into another Bowens umbrella mount for it, but overall, I was happy with the spread.


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Sep 13, 2017 17:31 as a reply to  @ mhickman's post |  #1263

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I would try that strobe/octa without the reflector on the strobe and with the scrim on the octabox. It should help alleviate shiny/hot spots as well reducing the flash look.
I do prefer these shoot into reflective octaboxes to the ones that install on the back and just shoot toward the scrim, creating a hot spot and requiring feathering with the softbox. I don't know why more people are not using them.


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Sep 13, 2017 20:00 |  #1264

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@ mhickman
I would try that strobe/octa without the reflector on the strobe and with the scrim on the octabox. It should help alleviate shiny/hot spots as well reducing the flash look.
I do prefer these shoot into reflective octaboxes to the ones that install on the back and just shoot toward the scrim, creating a hot spot and requiring feathering with the softbox. I don't know why more people are not using them.

I did use the scrim, but my assistant wanted to see the spread and this was shot before the portrait. As for taking the reflector off, it provides a second point that keeps the light centered. Does anyone make a Bowens adapter that the umbrella can slide through and not take up so much real estate?

Regarding hot spots, am I missing something? The light looked nice and even to me.




  
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Sep 13, 2017 20:08 |  #1265

Micro5797 wrote in post #18451540 (external link)
@ mhickman
I would try that strobe/octa without the reflector on the strobe and with the scrim on the octabox. It should help alleviate shiny/hot spots as well reducing the flash look.
I do prefer these shoot into reflective octaboxes to the ones that install on the back and just shoot toward the scrim, creating a hot spot and requiring feathering with the softbox. I don't know why more people are not using them.

Even this one with flash through 7" sock doesn't look like there's any hotspots. And yes, it looks like my assistant is running radar. LOL!


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Sep 13, 2017 20:51 |  #1266

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@ mhickman
I would try that strobe/octa without the reflector on the strobe and with the scrim on the octabox. It should help alleviate shiny/hot spots as well reducing the flash look.
I do prefer these shoot into reflective octaboxes to the ones that install on the back and just shoot toward the scrim, creating a hot spot and requiring feathering with the softbox. I don't know why more people are not using them.

Ok. Just ran a quick test. Full power light with meter set to ISO 100 at 4'. Umbrella with scrim and post end set flush to rear of mount. With reflector installed I got f/11. Removed the reflector, and surprisingly it was rather steady. Same parameters and I got f/13. Only 1/3 stop gained, but at 4'. Could I see better gain over further distance? Possibly, but I think most of the time I will be 4-10' from a subject.

That being said, my only concern is should the umbrella fall over, would I lose the added protection of the reflector to break the fall? Yes, if no assistant is available, I do use sandbags.




  
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Sep 14, 2017 00:45 |  #1267

mhickman wrote in post #18451619 (external link)
I did use the scrim, but my assistant wanted to see the spread and this was shot before the portrait. As for taking the reflector off, it provides a second point that keeps the light centered. Does anyone make a Bowens adapter that the umbrella can slide through and not take up so much real estate?

Not sure if I am answering the right question :)

I have a Bowens reflector which has an umbrella holder on the outer rim of the reflector. The one I have is made by Bowens. It is like this:

https://www.adorama.co​m …0wvg_KEAQYByABE​gIkYPD_BwE (external link)

I also have a Bowens adapter which adapts a speedlight or something like a Godox 200 or 360 to connect with a Bowens light modifier and it has an umbrella mounting spot positioned near where the strobe mounts (positioned in a way which is very similar to the position on an Elinchrom strobe--a good design).

It looks like this:

https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …PD_BwE&is=REG&s​ku=1342131 (external link)


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Sep 14, 2017 08:36 |  #1268

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Not sure if I am answering the right question :)

I have a Bowens reflector which has an umbrella holder on the outer rim of the reflector. The one I have is made by Bowens. It is like this:

https://www.adorama.co​m …0wvg_KEAQYByABE​gIkYPD_BwE (external link)

I also have a Bowens adapter which adapts a speedlight or something like a Godox 200 or 360 to connect with a Bowens light modifier and it has an umbrella mounting spot positioned near where the strobe mounts (positioned in a way which is very similar to the position on an Elinchrom strobe--a good design).

It looks like this:

https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …PD_BwE&is=REG&s​ku=1342131 (external link)

What I'm wondering is, if you look at the 7" reflector, it has a slit on the bottom that lines up with the umbrella mounting hole. This allows for the umbrella shaft with pass through it and connect to the light. Is there a bowens compatible ring that can provide that second point of contact with the shaft, protect the bulb (more than just a bare bulb on the end) and allow more spread of light? I don't feel comfortable with the bulb being so "exposed" that if I were to drop the light, it would shatter, whereas the 7" reflector should stop some kind of damage to the bulb, know what I mean?




  
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Sep 14, 2017 10:29 |  #1269

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What I'm wondering is, if you look at the 7" reflector, it has a slit on the bottom that lines up with the umbrella mounting hole. This allows for the umbrella shaft with pass through it and connect to the light. Is there a bowens compatible ring that can provide that second point of contact with the shaft, protect the bulb (more than just a bare bulb on the end) and allow more spread of light? I don't feel comfortable with the bulb being so "exposed" that if I were to drop the light, it would shatter, whereas the 7" reflector should stop some kind of damage to the bulb, know what I mean?

I'm afraid I don't.

I have actual Bowens manufactured monolights (travelite 750s) and a reflector very similar to the one I provided a link to. From your description and what I have, I can't make sense of your question. But I do not have the light you have, which may have some other connection point for umbrella shafts.

If you look at the link I provided, do you see the connector you are looking for? Can you provide a link or picture with an arrow about which part you are referring to?


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Sep 14, 2017 11:30 |  #1270

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I'm afraid I don't.

I have actual Bowens manufactured monolights (travelite 750s) and a reflector very similar to the one I provided a link to. From your description and what I have, I can't make sense of your question. But I do not have the light you have, which may have some other connection point for umbrella shafts.

If you look at the link I provided, do you see the connector you are looking for? Can you provide a link or picture with an arrow about which part you are referring to?

So, this slit sits about halfway back from the reflectors edge and is first point of contact until the umbrella locks in to the light via screw. Similar to the Bowens ring above, I see it has a screw that attaches the umbrella. What I'm wondering is, is there a manufacturer that makes a Bowens mount (the three nubs around the ring pictured below) that instead of sitting the end of the reflector so deep into the umbrella that it has a little more protection for the bulb, but is allowing more light to get around inside the umbrella?


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Sep 14, 2017 23:19 as a reply to  @ mhickman's post |  #1271

Looks to me like the design is different, at least compared to my Bowens units. it might be more challenging to find if it is non-standard.


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