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Jul 01, 2014 02:34 |  #1

I'm on crop and looking for something better than Tamron 17-50 f2.8, in terms of more light. Apart from light need more seperation from subject in environmental portraits. So there are 4 options to choose from
- Samyang 35mm f1.4 - T stops seems to be pretty low (1.9) which will defeat the purpose of getting a fast apperture lens? Value for money. I dont have problem with manual focus as the application does not demand it.
- Sigma 35mm f1.4 - T stops is 1.6 on crop camera but costs double the Samyang along with AF.
- Canon 35mm f2 - T stop is 2.2 on crop not quite different from what I get in Tamron 17-50mm + old model.
- Canon 35mm L - T stop is 1.8 on crop and costs bomb, everything else is fine.

I plan to stay on crop for another couple of years. Dont want to buy a EFS lens as of now. What would you select and why?


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Jul 01, 2014 03:01 |  #2

Heya,

If you want more isolation in environment, you want telephoto. Shorter focal length includes more environment, so a 35mm even at F1.4, will still include more background information, and keep it more in context, it's great for telling a story or giving a photo a context. Telephoto focal lengths destroy the background, so you just get isolation, and remove the background and keep it just like a blurry backdrop.

APS-C sensors have you standing further away for the same focal length used for the same frame up field of view as full frame. Because you're further away, you get more depth of field. This means even at F1.4, the depth of field "look" will be a lot more like what F2 looks like. My point is, if you're shooting F2.8, it will look more like what F4 looks like in terms of depth of field on a full frame camera. So if you want to get maximum isolation, get an F1.4 lens.

If you're doing environmental shots, I would not use the 35mm. I shoot with 35mm and 85mm on APS-C often for portrait. The 35mm is great, again, for context shots. But telephoto is where you want to be for the maximum isolation environmental portraits.

You already have a 100mm F2, so you have that.

The Samyang 35mm F1.4 is what I would get, if you want 35mm F1.4 on a budget. I shoot with the 35mm F2 IS and love it. But if you want minimum depth of field, the F1.4 is the way to go. That lens is sharp and it has great bokeh quality. If you want autofocus, you pay for it, and the Sigma 35 ART is the way to go. There's very little reason in my mind to even consider the 35L (the 35 F2 IS optically is about where it is, and better in some areas; and the 35 ART bests both of them).

I like the separation that 85mm F1.4 does.

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Personally I would get the Samyang 35mm F1.4 for portrait. I manually focus at F1.4 regardless of having autofocus anyways, so I don't see a reason to pay more than double for autofocus ability. I have my 35 F2 IS for that. But if i wanted maximum isolation at 35mm, that's the one I'd get. Otherwise, I would consider the Samyang 24mm F1.4 on APS-C too as a neat portrait lens with some minor distortion like effects. I would also consider the Canon EF 28mm F1.8 lens for APS-C too. All of course transition to full frame.

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Jul 01, 2014 03:59 |  #3

I'd also say consider Canon's 28/1.8. It's quite cheap, has ok IQ, is small enough to fit in a pocket, it's light and probably has the fastest AF of the bunch. Only Canon's 35/2 IS has comparable AF Speed (havent tried the old 35/2), the 1.4 lenses are much larger, heavier and slower.. I've been through Sigma 30/1.4, Canon 28/1.8, 35/2 IS and now Sigma 35/1.4. I still have the 28, but I'm planning to sell it, if I am satisfied with Sigma 35. I'm finding it hard to let the 28 go though, but 35mm fits better in my lineup, 28mm is a bit too close to 24mm and too far from 85mm.


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Jul 01, 2014 08:01 |  #4

Thanks for the suggestions guys!!
I checked 28mm f1.8 but it did not impress me on either on crop / full frame.

I was refering to "for context shots" if thats what conveys what I'm trying to tell. Context shots but not everyhting in focus.

MalV: Can you please click a full body shot with 85mm @ 1.4 on crop. The framing should include just a full single person with slight headroom and space in front.


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Jul 01, 2014 22:48 |  #5

If you're sticking with crop then I'd look no further than the Sigma 30mm f1.4. If you're insistent on getting a lens that you can bring with you to FF then I'd get the Sigma 35mm 1.4 Art.


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Jul 02, 2014 11:37 |  #6

No idea why you would spend more for a larger, heavier 35 1.4 lens for your crop sensor when the 30 1.4 gives you the same speed in a smaller more compact package for less money.


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Jul 02, 2014 12:11 |  #7

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17006466 (external link)
If you're sticking with crop then I'd look no further than the Sigma 30mm f1.4. If you're insistent on getting a lens that you can bring with you to FF then I'd get the Sigma 35mm 1.4 Art.

Pretty much this!


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Jul 02, 2014 12:24 |  #8

IDC what anyone says, the manual Rokinon lens is just as good as any other 1.4 35mm out there, bang for your buck and pulling your own focus becomes something that you grow to love. I'd rent it or check it out for Amazon, if it can't fulfill your needs then just send it back and go with one of the higher end lens.


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Jul 02, 2014 12:30 |  #9

KeenanRIVALS wrote in post #17007439 (external link)
IDC what anyone says, the manual Rokinon lens is just as good as any other 1.4 35mm out there, bang for your buck and pulling your own focus becomes something that you grow to love. I'd rent it or check it out for Amazon, if it can't fulfill your needs then just send it back and go with one of the higher end lens.

Agreed on the Samyang, but if using a crop sensor, especially one with a tiny VF like the 550D, then the Sigma 30mm is a much better option.


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Jul 02, 2014 12:42 |  #10

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17007453 (external link)
Agreed on the Samyang, but if using a crop sensor, especially one with a tiny VF like the 550D, then the Sigma 30mm is a much better option.

Ahhh I see, agreed.


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Jul 02, 2014 15:52 |  #11

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17006466 (external link)
If you're sticking with crop then I'd look no further than the Sigma 30mm f1.4. If you're insistent on getting a lens that you can bring with you to FF then I'd get the Sigma 35mm 1.4 Art.

Or the 18-35.


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How do you consider 35mm full-frame only lenses and not list the EF 35mm f/2 IS USM or the EF 35mm f/1.4L?

The IS lens is excellent. Sharper, less vignetting, faster focusing (and quieter) than the old lens. Since it seems to matter to you, dxo rates it at 2 T-stop. And it has IS!

The 35L has, well, ... f/1.4 and a huge price tag!


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Jul 03, 2014 06:01 |  #13

BrickR wrote in post #17007369 (external link)
No idea why you would spend more for a larger, heavier 35 1.4 lens for your crop sensor when the 30 1.4 gives you the same speed in a smaller more compact package for less money.

Thank you for the suggestion but I'm looking for full frame lens only. Plan to upgrade in two years. Although I love the Tamron and its picture quality but I repent of buying a crop sensor lens, now. Back then it was all good since I was not sure to take things seriously :)


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Jul 03, 2014 06:02 |  #14

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17007453 (external link)
Agreed on the Samyang, but if using a crop sensor, especially one with a tiny VF like the 550D, then the Sigma 30mm is a much better option.

No issues with the VF, I at times click all manual with my current set of lenses. Offcourse with less keepers.


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Jul 03, 2014 06:03 |  #15

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How do you consider 35mm full-frame only lenses and not list the EF 35mm f/2 IS USM or the EF 35mm f/1.4L?

The IS lens is excellent. Sharper, less vignetting, faster focusing (and quieter) than the old lens. Since it seems to matter to you, dxo rates it at 2 T-stop. And it has IS!

The 35L has, well, ... f/1.4 and a huge price tag!

L is out of budget and F2 IS is almost equal to Sigma 35 in terms of price, here in India. Sigma 35 itself is a stretch in budget :(


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