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Jul 09, 2014 04:21 |  #1

We will be shooting the Bournemouth air display over the few days around the end of August. The displays will range from the Red Arrows to Spitfires and other second world war machinery.

Advise on shutter speeds, ISO, apertures etc (in fact anything at all!) would be gratefully received. I've read here about slowing shutter speeds to catch revolving props, but how slow is slow and is there a limit to this?

I have a 100-400L and a 1.4x convertor. Also, in the afternoon of the 29th I have a short (1 hour) opportunity to use longer focal lengths as Canon will be bringing out their big guns. How big this stuff will be is still a mystery.

I do tend to use a monopod for these kind of events, but should I be thinking tripod instead? I'm shooting from a Hotel balcony overlooking the seafront and other years the flying has been over the sea directly in front of me.

Many thanks for any advise anyone can offer.


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Jul 09, 2014 08:38 |  #2

I have to move this to "T. Talk".

Lowner wrote in post #17020344 (external link)
Advise on shutter speeds, ISO, apertures etc (in fact anything at all!) would be gratefully received. I've read here about slowing shutter speeds to catch revolving props, but how slow is slow and is there a limit to this?

There are a lot of variables between take-off power vs taxi power.
See the "Airshow guys - prop freeze?" & other links in post #2 of: Shooting airshows in Manual

I do tend to use a monopod for these kind of events, but should I be thinking tripod instead? I'm shooting from a Hotel balcony overlooking the seafront and other years the flying has been over the sea directly in front of me.

Since you could put the whole thing down on the balcony, I'd be inclined to not use either.
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Jul 09, 2014 11:50 |  #3

Lowner wrote in post #17020344 (external link)
We will be shooting the Bournemouth air display over the few days around the end of August. The displays will range from the Red Arrows to Spitfires and other second world war machinery.

Advise on shutter speeds, ISO, apertures etc (in fact anything at all!) would be gratefully received. I've read here about slowing shutter speeds to catch revolving props, but how slow is slow and is there a limit to this?

I have a 100-400L and a 1.4x convertor. Also, in the afternoon of the 29th I have a short (1 hour) opportunity to use longer focal lengths as Canon will be bringing out their big guns. How big this stuff will be is still a mystery.

I do tend to use a monopod for these kind of events, but should I be thinking tripod instead? I'm shooting from a Hotel balcony overlooking the seafront and other years the flying has been over the sea directly in front of me.

Many thanks for any advise anyone can offer.

Various prop blur examples with EXIF. There's no single or simple shutter speed for every prop blur circumstance.


IMAGE: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r601/kevinlillard/07092014b/20110513a2608_zps0603f6fb.jpg

Camera Maker: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS REBEL T2i
Lens: 150-500mm
Image Date: 2011-05-13 14:06:16 (no TZ)
Focal Length: 150.0mm
Aperture: f/16.0
Exposure Time: 0.010 s (1/100)
ISO equiv: 100
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: shutter priority (semi-auto)
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB

IMAGE: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r601/kevinlillard/07092014b/20120622a1831a_zpsaa0ae260.jpg

Camera Maker: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS REBEL T2i
Lens: 150-500mm
Image Date: 2012-06-22 13:35:18 (no TZ)
Focal Length: 403.0mm
Aperture: f/9.0
Exposure Time: 0.0020 s (1/500)
ISO equiv: 200
Exposure Bias: +1.33 EV
Metering Mode: Partial
Exposure: program (Auto)
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB

IMAGE: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r601/kevinlillard/07092014b/20120622a0578a_zpsd10012ac.jpg

Camera Maker: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS REBEL T2i
Lens: 150-500mm
Image Date: 2012-06-22 12:35:31 (no TZ)
Focal Length: 500.0mm
Aperture: f/20.0
Exposure Time: 0.0080 s (1/125)
ISO equiv: 100
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: shutter priority (semi-auto)
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB

IMAGE: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r601/kevinlillard/07092014b/20120729b0007_zps48744250.jpg

Camera Maker: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS 60D
Lens: 150-500mm
Image Date: 2012-07-29 13:07:10 (no TZ)
Focal Length: 289.0mm
Aperture: f/14.0
Exposure Time: 0.0063 s (1/160)
ISO equiv: 100
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: shutter priority (semi-auto)
White Balance: Manual
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB


Most propeller-driven aircraft use constant-speed propellers. One rule of thumb is that the smaller the propeller, the faster the rotating speed.

The large propellers/rotors on the V-22 Osprey shown rotate slower than they seem to the naked eye, and there's less prop blur at 1/160 with an Osprey than with a Stearman's radial engine at 1/500.

These examples were generated from a Sigma 150-500mm optical stabilizer lens, a heavy unit. the lens was used handheld in these examples, but it took around a month to get used to the lens' mass.



  
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Jul 09, 2014 19:53 |  #4

I've explained how I go about it in this thread.

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1385592

Take off are at higher RPM than landings or slow fly by's.


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Jul 10, 2014 03:31 |  #5

Many thanks for the information. I will carefully digest it.

Apart from the Red Arrows, it sounds as though the rest of the display will consist of single planes flying fairly slowly past the sea front. Last year, with the good weather, there where no particularly low flying photo opportunities, but who knows what this year will bring?


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Jul 16, 2014 20:33 |  #6

Actually most single prop planes have a solid propeller that increases in rpm to make it fly faster. As a very rough guide blur is photographed slower than 1/160.


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Jul 17, 2014 05:23 |  #7

Thanks Dave.

Apart from my own efforts, I've booked to attend a Canon "event" at a beach hut. They will have some really big weaponry and will no doubt offer guidance as well.

IF I produce anything I'm not completely ashamed of, I'll post it up.


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