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Chances of 5D MkIV have better dynamic range?

 
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Jul 19, 2014 11:30 |  #1

I love my Canon gear for my wedding photography. I love the 600EXRT's built in radio, I love the 5D3's not too big filesizes.. lenses etc... functionally everything is great.

But... but... that dynamic range :( My style of shooting lends itself very well to have that wide range as I prefer to underexpose for the highlights and bring back the shadows, but I'm very limited with that 5D3 sensor.

I get the itch to switch over to Nikon for the DR alone but then I'd be giving up on a lot of functional things that I love about the Canon system. How likely are we to get Nikon-like DR in the 5D4? Is this even something Canon cares about for it's consumers? DR actually went down from the 5D2 to the 5D3 so that's not a promising sign.


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Jul 19, 2014 11:35 |  #2

We don't even know the likelihood of 5D4 coming to being or even to coming to a "rumor" stage.



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Jul 19, 2014 11:39 |  #3

SYS wrote in post #17041823 (external link)
We don't even know the likelihood of 5D4 coming to being or even to coming to a "rumor" stage.

I know.. it's more of a thinking out loud kind of thing... and if this issue is even on Canon's radar given that the 5D3 wasn't an improvement over the 5D2 on that matter.

I really don't want to go through the trouble of making the switch and would just rather Canon make the improvement. Time shall tell.


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Jul 19, 2014 11:58 as a reply to  @ pstyle1's post |  #4

...the 5DX has all of that, it's coming out this christmas :rolleyes:




  
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Jul 19, 2014 11:58 as a reply to  @ pstyle1's post |  #5

Just thinking out loud...
What is the DR of the 1Dx like?
Would you consider trading in one of your 5DmkIII for one?

It would take wild horses to make me switch brands.
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Jul 19, 2014 14:03 |  #6

Well, it's interesting, because up until recently the "emphasis" has been on the "upper range" of the dynamic range -- Canon still leads in high ISO capabilities, and Canon Raw files give a lot of latitude as far as "toning down" highlights, in fact, so much so that "Exposing To The Right" has for many of us replaced the idea of "exposing for the highlights"...

However, in recent times the Sony/Nikon alliance has definitely improved the lower end of the dynamic range, as to lower ISO capabilities with the shadows, a lot of photogs are quite impressed, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Canon catching up!


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Jul 19, 2014 18:45 |  #7

The 7DII has been a rumor for years, so who knows how long it will be for the 5DIV.

But there have been a lot of rumors and patents surrounding a multi-layer foveon sensor, which hopefully will make it into the next 5D. The 5DIII is a fantastic camera in all areas except the sensor...its the one area they have to improve, and given what we've seen with the exmore, there's a lot of room for improvement.


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Jul 19, 2014 21:45 |  #8

tonylong wrote in post #17042063 (external link)
Well, it's interesting, because up until recently the "emphasis" has been on the "upper range" of the dynamic range -- Canon still leads in high ISO capabilities, and Canon Raw files give a lot of latitude as far as "toning down" highlights, in fact, so much so that "Exposing To The Right" has for many of us replaced the idea of "exposing for the highlights"...

However, in recent times the Sony/Nikon alliance has definitely improved the lower end of the dynamic range, as to lower ISO capabilities with the shadows, a lot of photogs are quite impressed, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Canon catching up!

exposing to the right is exposing for highlights. The concept is about exposing as bright as possible while not clipping valuable highlights even if you may want the exposure level of the final processed image to be darker. It is not about blowing out highlights to protect shadows


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Jul 20, 2014 05:08 as a reply to  @ smythie's post |  #9

For the price it would cost to trade your 5d3 to the 5d4 if and when it comes out, one could probably buy the sony a7/a7r and suitable adapter. You then have a solution to your dynamic range type shooting while keeping the benefits of the 5d and L lenses


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Jul 20, 2014 09:05 |  #10

All this is speculation until we see a new Canon sensor bought from Sony. I don't see Canon spending the vast funds required to develop a new sensor themselves* unless camera sales suddenly improve.

*Judging by the way employees are not getting wage updates, even now after the recession here in the UK - I'd say that is very unlikely.


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Jul 20, 2014 10:08 |  #11

If you are a working photographer simply rent the gear and see if the change and small loss in working cash is worth the change over. It isn't that expensive to rent gear for a paid shoot and to shoot them both side by side. For me the D810 is giving me pretty much everything the 5d3 did over the D800 which is buffer and FPS. Now IMO there is no more performance gap. Just the file sizing. And even then the loss in the change over isn't that bad depending on what lenses your going to etc.


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Jul 20, 2014 13:06 |  #12

pstyle1 wrote in post #17041812 (external link)
I love my Canon gear for my wedding photography. I love the 600EXRT's built in radio, I love the 5D3's not too big filesizes.. lenses etc... functionally everything is great.

But... but... that dynamic range :( My style of shooting lends itself very well to have that wide range as I prefer to underexpose for the highlights and bring back the shadows, but I'm very limited with that 5D3 sensor.

I get the itch to switch over to Nikon for the DR alone but then I'd be giving up on a lot of functional things that I love about the Canon system. How likely are we to get Nikon-like DR in the 5D4? Is this even something Canon cares about for it's consumers? DR actually went down from the 5D2 to the 5D3 so that's not a promising sign.

I switched and been a happy camper. I'm happy with Nikon's sensors which perform all around when it come to DR and ISO ( low and high). I've been waiting for Canon's answer since the 1Ds 3. That's almost six years! :)




  
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Jul 20, 2014 13:16 |  #13

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All this is speculation until we see a new Canon sensor bought from Sony. I don't see Canon spending the vast funds required to develop a new sensor themselves* unless camera sales suddenly improve.

*Judging by the way employees are not getting wage updates, even now after the recession here in the UK - I'd say that is very unlikely.

Personally I expect all those patents from Canon over the years must be good for something, they clearly still sink some money in to sensor development so until they do something to suggest otherwise I see no reason to believe they won't try to continue to compete in sensor technology, the question is when. If they wait a couple more years then I'd be more inclined to agree.

That said, I don't see them bringing out some massive improvement in sensor tech unless they're poised to update their whole lineup and over the next year they could do that without cutting their 5D3 or 1Dx too short, in my opinion.

We'll see though.


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Jul 20, 2014 13:33 |  #14

ˆˆˆ Agree ˆˆˆ

Canon certainly isn't moving fast when it comes to sensor tech. I don't see that changing any time soon either.

I myself have "made due" with Canon for a long time, but I finally jumped to Sony since I can still use all my glass.

I am thinking about getting an A7S to pair with the A7R - Once that's done, the prospect of me buying another Canon body is getting pretty slim. I'll keep the 5D3 as that will be my all-rounder and AF machine. Everything else will be done on Sony from now on out, or until Canon gets off it's ass.




  
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Jul 20, 2014 13:37 |  #15

pstyle1 wrote in post #17041812 (external link)
I love my Canon gear for my wedding photography. I love the 600EXRT's built in radio, I love the 5D3's not too big filesizes.. lenses etc... functionally everything is great.

But... but... that dynamic range :( My style of shooting lends itself very well to have that wide range as I prefer to underexpose for the highlights and bring back the shadows, but I'm very limited with that 5D3 sensor.

I get the itch to switch over to Nikon for the DR alone but then I'd be giving up on a lot of functional things that I love about the Canon system. How likely are we to get Nikon-like DR in the 5D4? Is this even something Canon cares about for it's consumers? DR actually went down from the 5D2 to the 5D3 so that's not a promising sign.

You could transplant your Canon's sensor with that of a Nikon. Just for kicks.


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