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Jul 23, 2014 05:15 |  #1

So I have been learning about tilt shift lenses and architectural photography, apparently there is something I am not grasping. As I understand it a tilt shift comes in most handy when you can't get everything you need vertically in a frame, IE a tall building. So if I am doing interior architectural photography and I can't get everything I need in the frame vertically why wouldn't I just raise or lower the camera? What does a tilt shift do in this situation that raising or lowering the camera would not do? Just trying to understand the whole thing.


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Jul 23, 2014 06:08 |  #2

There are several uses for T/S lenses but for architecture, particularly tall buildings the use of the shift function to control perspective is most important. It's not about getting more in the frame but avoiding the perspective changes which occur when you tilt a wideangle lens upward to capture a tall building. Shift can be employed to avoid this 'converging verticals' effect.
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Jul 23, 2014 06:11 |  #3

Thanks. That part I get. I was of the impression it could also help with interior architecture. When talking about interior what does a tilt shift do that raising or lowering the camera wouldn't do?


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Jul 23, 2014 06:49 |  #4

Northwoods Bill wrote in post #17050321 (external link)
Thanks. That part I get. I was of the impression it could also help with interior architecture. When talking about interior what does a tilt shift do that raising or lowering the camera wouldn't do?

Its the same thing as snapperz has said. For interior architecture if your aim is to avoid perspective issues you need to set the camera up level in both directions. Doing so will mean that potentially you wont be able to frame stuff high up (without pointing the camera up at it and getting perspective issues). Raising the camera will get some of it back in the frame at the cost of losing stuff at the bottom that is close to the camera. Shifting however allows you to image a larger image circle at the same time as keeping the perspective correct. This cant be achieved by raising and lowering the camera (technically it can if you do multiple setups and merge the photos but the shift fucntion allows this to happen from one tripod setup and avoids stitching issues)

Tilt is for increasing or reducing the effective DOF and is independant of shift (although both can be combined)


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Jul 23, 2014 06:53 |  #5

OK so there is the difference, shifting actually creates a bigger image circle? I was of the impression that shifting just shifted the circle. Now I am curious if I shift the lens up does the image circle become an oval or does it stay a circle and get larger in all directions?


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Jul 23, 2014 06:58 |  #6

Northwoods Bill wrote in post #17050381 (external link)
OK so there is the difference, shifting actually creates a bigger image circle? I was of the impression that shifting just shifted the circle. Now I am curious if I shift the lens up does the image circle become an oval or does it stay a circle and get larger in all directions?

The image circle doesnt change but the position that the sensor sees does.

This explains it http://www.oopoomoo.co​m …-using-tilt-shift-lenses/ (external link)

The reason why these lenses are sharp across the frame (in the unshifted position) is because you are seeing the centre of the image circle. On a normal lens the centre is sharp and the edges normally get softer (as you approach the edge of the smaller image circle


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Jul 23, 2014 08:14 |  #7

Thanks. Now I have got it. This also has me thinking of how I might use this lens for my landscape work.


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Jul 23, 2014 09:19 |  #8

Northwoods Bill wrote in post #17050255 (external link)
So I have been learning about tilt shift lenses and architectural photography, apparently there is something I am not grasping. As I understand it a tilt shift comes in most handy when you can't get everything you need vertically in a frame, IE a tall building. So if I am doing interior architectural photography and I can't get everything I need in the frame vertically why wouldn't I just raise or lower the camera? What does a tilt shift do in this situation that raising or lowering the camera would not do? Just trying to understand the whole thing.

I bought my TS-E 17mm f4 for product photography or commercial photography.
Mainly to photograph pool cues.

Here is the reason why I bought my TS-E lenses over other lenses

I needed to see the wood grain, and I needed the whole cue in one frame and still see the wood grain, and the lines of the cue in the picture needed to be straight.
The TS-E 17mm f4 you can tilt the focal plane or lay the focal plane down so everything from 1ft to infinity is in focus.
When you are focusing the lens the subject looks like its on a wall and the wall can be tilted. But the focal plane is not flat it slightly concave.
You can tilt at any angle because the lens can be rotated on the camera body.

I sure wish I was better at explaining this.

Landscape, I was out last night doing sunset photos in my back yard and decided I wanted my photos to look like they were taken from a air plane.

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same place different tilt and shift .
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Regardless it sure gives a different look.



  
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Jul 23, 2014 09:52 |  #9

Not to belabor the point, but hopefully to help really grasp the concept:

To really visualize the difference between shifting and simply raising/lowering the camera, I like to think of the shift function as in-camera cropping of a wider FoV image.

For example, let's say that you want to capture a building in the frame and the FoV of the lens that you're using gives you *just* enough width to fit the entirety of the building in to the frame *if* you point the lens up. Unfortunately, pointing the lens up will result in that perspective distortion - the "falling in" or convergence of upright parallel sides. To avoid this, you could go to a much wider lens, compose in a way that keeps the lens pointing straight (perpendicular to the building, not up, thus avoiding the falling in), take your capture and then crop out the unwanted stuff in post. The problem with this approach, of course, is that you're throwing away a lot of pixels that aren't on-target and you're getting a much lower resolution subject.

A shift, or perspective control, lens effectively does the above, without throwing away the pixels, by giving you a much wider FoV (big image circle) and then letting you crop it as you please before hitting the shutter.


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Jul 23, 2014 10:04 |  #10

I knew there was something I was missing. Now I am really anxious to get a chance to play with the lens!

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Jul 23, 2014 10:06 |  #11

I want that lens :(

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Jul 23, 2014 10:07 |  #12

Aki, Just curious where in NH are you?


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Jul 23, 2014 10:09 |  #13

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Aki, Just curious where in NH are you?

Near Portsmouth :)

You're way up there! Must be so gorgeous at night for astrophotography??




  
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Jul 23, 2014 10:12 |  #14

Haven't gotten into astrophotography but it is beautiful up here. Architecture, and landscape keeps my plate pretty full!

My purchasing manager used to run a tire shop in Portsmouth, he talks about it every now and again.


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Jul 23, 2014 10:14 |  #15

That's great! Ya it's a two hour drive up for me to the White Mountains. I just wish it was a bit closer :)




  
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