Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS General Gear Talk Flash and Studio Lighting 
Thread started 24 Jul 2014 (Thursday) 18:53
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

How to light black people?

 
quadwing
Goldmember
Avatar
1,029 posts
Gallery: 6 photos
Likes: 33
Joined Sep 2009
Location: Las Vegas, NV
     
Jul 24, 2014 18:53 |  #1

Okay, not to be crass. How do I light a black or interracial couple with a strobe--specifically a 430EX, using a shoot-thru umbrella? Relatively inexperienced when it comes to photographing black people. Shoot is in 2 hours from now.


Camera gear: Canon 5D Mark IV | Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L II | Canon 70-200mm f/2.8L II | Lights: Elinchrom Ranger RX Speed AS

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
quadwing
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
1,029 posts
Gallery: 6 photos
Likes: 33
Joined Sep 2009
Location: Las Vegas, NV
     
Jul 24, 2014 19:46 |  #2

Serious question.


Camera gear: Canon 5D Mark IV | Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L II | Canon 70-200mm f/2.8L II | Lights: Elinchrom Ranger RX Speed AS

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Jarvis ­ Creative ­ Studios
Goldmember
Avatar
2,508 posts
Gallery: 28 photos
Likes: 1107
Joined Aug 2013
Location: Johnson City, Tennessee
     
Jul 24, 2014 19:47 |  #3

Probably should've researched it before you had a shoot in two hours. Expose to the skin tones, like with everyone else.


WEBSITE (external link)
flickr (external link)
Sony ZV-1 || Sony a7RIV || Sony a9 || Sony a1 || Sony FE 20mm f1.8 G || Sony FE 24-70 f2.8 GM || Sony FE 50mm f1.2 GM || Sony FE 90mm f2.8 Macro G OSS || Sony FE 135mm f1.8 GM || Sony FE 200-600 f5.6-6.3 G OSS || Godox speedlights and strobes

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
CanonCameraFan
Goldmember
1,694 posts
Likes: 142
Joined Sep 2011
Location: Annapolis Maryland
     
Jul 24, 2014 19:51 |  #4

I would think same as anyone else, but if very dark skin tone, then plus 1/2 to 2/3 stop from a Light Meter reading. Post process should be able to adjust any further.


EOS 7D w/BG-E7 (3), 550EX (3), 430EX II, Vivitar 285HV, Opteka 6.5mm/3.5, Canon EF-S 10-18/4.5-5.6 IS STM, Canon EF-S 24/2.8 STM, Canon EF 40/2.8 STM, Canon EF 100mm/2.0 USM, Canon EF 70-300mm/4-5.6 L IS USM, Canon 77mm 500D Macro, Tamrac 614 Bag & 787 Backpack, Crumpler 8 MDH, 7 MDH, 6 MDH
http://www.flickr.com/​photos/johnebersole/se​ts/ (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
someone0
Senior Member
436 posts
Likes: 12
Joined Jul 2014
     
Jul 24, 2014 20:24 |  #5

CanonCameraFan wrote in post #17054188 (external link)
I would think same as anyone else, but if very dark skin tone, then plus 1/2 to 2/3 stop from a Light Meter reading. Post process should be able to adjust any further.

IDK, I'm not a pro but isn't normally if you are to shoot in the snow, you would over expose by about 2 stops. Shooting dark skin subject I would have thought it goes the other way. That said, if you use a light meter, wouldn't that solves your problem? Another thing is, I think dark skin subject when lit properly, it show the dimention very well. Meaning having at least a few light sources to create both hard and soft light. The soft light would make a fill-in, while hard light create dramatic shadow.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
DC ­ Fan
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
5,881 posts
Gallery: 3 photos
Likes: 53
Joined Oct 2005
     
Jul 24, 2014 20:31 |  #6

quadwing wrote in post #17054087 (external link)
Okay, not to be crass. How do I light a black or interracial couple with a strobe--specifically a 430EX, using a shoot-thru umbrella? Relatively inexperienced when it comes to photographing black people. Shoot is in 2 hours from now.

From actual experience at real events, no differently than anyone else.

Examples.

IMAGE: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r601/kevinlillard/07242014a/2013a0119a0203_zpsf0a29832.jpg

IMAGE: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r601/kevinlillard/07242014a/2013a0119a0391_zpsb8c2fc4e.jpg

As demonstrated here, the same setup worked for people of different colors side by side. A correct exposure for human subjects is correct regardless of race. No reason to overthink something and create a problem where non exists.



  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
quadwing
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
1,029 posts
Gallery: 6 photos
Likes: 33
Joined Sep 2009
Location: Las Vegas, NV
     
Jul 24, 2014 20:42 as a reply to  @ DC Fan's post |  #7

Please don't think I'm being derogatory or discriminatory whatsoever. I've never been able to overcome lighting issues when it came to mixing interracial couples. I only have one light, however, so that may be the root of my problem.


Camera gear: Canon 5D Mark IV | Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L II | Canon 70-200mm f/2.8L II | Lights: Elinchrom Ranger RX Speed AS

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
bseitz234
Senior Member
Avatar
608 posts
Gallery: 23 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 381
Joined Feb 2013
Location: Maynard, MA, USA
     
Jul 24, 2014 21:03 |  #8

quadwing wrote in post #17054287 (external link)
I only have one light, however, so that may be the root of my problem.

No, that probably doesn't help...

If you've got two different values you need properly exposed, just make sure you've got enough data in both your highlights and your shadows, and then you should be able to do any tweaking you need to in post. You could spot meter on each person, my guess is if you pick a value that gives you +2/3 to +1 stop on the lighter skinned person, you won't be more than a stop underexposed on the darker skinned person.



-Brian
5 EOS bodies, and constantly growing lens selection.
IG @bseitz234

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Scatterbrained
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
8,511 posts
Gallery: 267 photos
Best ofs: 12
Likes: 4607
Joined Jan 2010
Location: Yomitan, Okinawa, Japan
     
Jul 24, 2014 21:09 |  #9

Get a light meter. Set your light up using the incident reading. Go to town.


VanillaImaging.com (external link)"Vacuous images for the Vapid consumer"
500px (external link)
flickr (external link)
1x (external link)
instagram (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
nyne7lac
Member
42 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Oct 2011
     
Jul 24, 2014 21:27 |  #10

This takes me back to my engagement photoshoot. It was a fairly bright and hot day, my photographer was very nice but she kept saying "Gosh, black people suck up all the light" and she kept repositioning us or having her husband move the reflector.

That was about 5 years ago. Even today on a hot day I'll look at my wife and say "we must be sucking up all the light"


t3i | 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 | 50mm f/1.8 | YN-565EX | YN-560II

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
FJ ­ LOVE
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
20,883 posts
Likes: 82
Joined Nov 2006
Location: barrie ont. ca
     
Jul 24, 2014 21:34 |  #11

nyne7lac wrote in post #17054386 (external link)
This takes me back to my engagement photoshoot. It was a fairly bright and hot day, my photographer was very nice but she kept saying "Gosh, black people suck up all the light" and she kept repositioning us or having her husband move the reflector.

That was about 5 years ago. Even today on a hot day I'll look at my wife and say "we must be sucking up all the light"

:lol::lol::lol:


DILLIGAF about your bicycle or your gear

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sandpiper
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
7,171 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 53
Joined Aug 2006
Location: Merseyside, England
     
Jul 24, 2014 21:38 |  #12

bseitz234 wrote in post #17054323 (external link)
No, that probably doesn't help...

If you've got two different values you need properly exposed, just make sure you've got enough data in both your highlights and your shadows, and then you should be able to do any tweaking you need to in post. You could spot meter on each person, my guess is if you pick a value that gives you +2/3 to +1 stop on the lighter skinned person, you won't be more than a stop underexposed on the darker skinned person.

I am sorry but that makes no sense. The correct exposure for the light skinned person is the same as for the dark skinned person. If you were to spot meter each and set those as exposures for two individual shots they would both look the same tone. The darker person would be very overexposed and the lighter person a little underexposed.

If you take an incident light reading it gives you the exposure for the amount of light falling on your subject, that does not alter because they have different skin tones. Yes, one will be darker than the other, but that isn't because they are underexposed, it is because they ARE darker.

Take an incident reading, or use a grey card or whatever for a reflected reading, and that is the correct exposure for both subjects.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
CRCchemist
Senior Member
961 posts
Likes: 19
Joined Apr 2014
     
Jul 24, 2014 22:08 |  #13

quadwing wrote in post #17054287 (external link)
Please don't think I'm being derogatory or discriminatory whatsoever. I've never been able to overcome lighting issues when it came to mixing interracial couples. I only have one light, however, so that may be the root of my problem.

No, the single light isn't the problem. You are missing a light meter. That will give you a precise correct exposure, no matter what the subject is. They are under $100. Make sure you buy one after this so you never have this problem in the future.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
CRCchemist
Senior Member
961 posts
Likes: 19
Joined Apr 2014
     
Jul 24, 2014 22:10 |  #14

nyne7lac wrote in post #17054386 (external link)
This takes me back to my engagement photoshoot. It was a fairly bright and hot day, my photographer was very nice but she kept saying "Gosh, black people suck up all the light" and she kept repositioning us or having her husband move the reflector.

That was about 5 years ago. Even today on a hot day I'll look at my wife and say "we must be sucking up all the light"

Hahaha. I love that story. I'm going to start saying that from now on too!!! :-)




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Firehouse
Senior Member
Avatar
475 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Likes: 225
Joined Nov 2008
Location: Yorba Linda California
     
Jul 24, 2014 22:10 |  #15

quadwing wrote in post #17054087 (external link)
Okay, not to be crass. How do I light a black or interracial couple with a strobe--specifically a 430EX, using a shoot-thru umbrella? Relatively inexperienced when it comes to photographing black people. Shoot is in 2 hours from now.

I am at a loss for words...:cry:


Rich

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

8,600 views & 0 likes for this thread, 28 members have posted to it.
How to light black people?
FORUMS General Gear Talk Flash and Studio Lighting 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is semonsters
1452 guests, 127 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.