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Cheetah 360, triggers, mods & HSS

 
Buchinger
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Jul 25, 2014 20:25 |  #1

I'm thinking if pulling the trigger on a Cheetahlight 360 system. I'm looking for something for location work with more power and better refresh rates than my Canon 430EXII's. I talked to Edward recently and he was explaining to me that the new yongnuo triggers provide the best HSS results but lost me a few times (let me say, I've had some service needs with my cheetah products and am amazed at the outstanding service!).

I currently use the Phottix Odin setup for off camera speedlights and if I'm also using strobes with the speedlights, I will trigger those with an atlas receiver. I'm curious exactly how the HSS (or hyper sync, or whatever you want to call it) works with the triggers? How is the 360 activated? Is it a headphone plug like my atlas interface or is it intelligent like a speedlight? I don't fully understand how the new yongnuo trigger is incorporated (or does it replace) the cheeta trigger? In this mode do you observe the same power loss that you do with a speedlight in HSS? Can I utilize an Odin receiver to achieve the same results?

Finally, is the umbrella mount the only "mounting" mechanism on this light? Is there some type if mini speed ring or is it utilized the same as a speedlight as far as modifiers are concerned. I've never used the soft boxes that mount with the umbrella but is the mount on the light sturdy enough for one of those? What about the larger PLMs? I currently have some Q-Box 24s with the pro bracket.

I realize there is a thread dedicated to this light system, but with all of the questions I didn't want it to get lost!

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Jul 26, 2014 08:30 |  #2

I use my Phottix Odin if I need the hss of AD360.
It works like this: the trigger transmitter sends the signal to the receiver just before the shutter open and the 360 starts firing pulse of light. But you have to turn on the hss mode on the 360.




  
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Jul 26, 2014 10:49 as a reply to  @ nixland's post |  #3

some posts in the big thread:

https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=16026001#po​st16026001

https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=15687362#po​st15687362

https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=16296673#po​st16296673

there is more discussion above and below each post, and in the links of the first link above.


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Jul 26, 2014 12:21 |  #4

Okay - so to be clear I understand. I will need my Odin transmitter on my camera, and an Odin receiver plugger into the CL360 via PC sync. In addition, the Cheetah TX will be around my neck or in a pocket for remote power control (can HSS be activated via remote?), and I will also need a Cheetah RX to receive communication of power adjustments?




  
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Jul 26, 2014 12:59 |  #5

Buchinger wrote in post #17057518 (external link)
In addition, the Cheetah TX will be around my neck or in a pocket for remote power control (can HSS be activated via remote?), and I will also need a Cheetah RX to receive communication of power adjustments?

yes. i believe this to be true with any solution.

btw, the bracket that comes with the CL-360 combo deal works great.

I'll go double check the HSS via TX question right now.


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Jul 26, 2014 13:34 |  #6

hes gone wrote in post #17057568 (external link)
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I'll go double check the HSS via TX question right now.

nope, HSS is done by pressing two buttons on the back of the flash.


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Jul 26, 2014 14:09 |  #7

re Mounting options - check out the Godox S bracket - originally including Bowen S bayonet - now Elinchrom version too. Holds a 360 brilliantly, as you would expect.

http://flashhavoc.com …te-bracket-for-elinchrom/ (external link)




  
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Jul 26, 2014 17:22 as a reply to  @ OceanRipple's post |  #8

I am pretty sure you can use your odin TX in the hotshoe and put a Cheetah TX on an Odin RX. That way the C360(s) will be triggered by the Cheetah RX.

TX = transmitter and RX = receiver in my above explanation.


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Jul 26, 2014 22:56 |  #9

Butterfly, that's what I was wondering - I didn't know if it would function that way or not! Interesting! I'm definitely looking forward to having more power. I find my speedlights take way too long to recycle @ high powers and often one won't fire etc. While it's a fact if life, it still makes you look bad saying "hang on, I've gotta wait for my flash to recharge"...




  
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Jul 27, 2014 09:29 |  #10

butterfly2937 wrote in post #17057940 (external link)
I am pretty sure you can use your odin TX in the hotshoe and put a Cheetah TX on an Odin RX. That way the C360(s) will be triggered by the Cheetah RX.

TX = transmitter and RX = receiver in my above explanation.

Check out this page on Elv's Flash Havoc blog: http://flashhavoc.com …dio-trigger-alternatives/ (external link)

I am using an FT-16 mounted on a remote 622C and it works fine. The page confirms the odin system will work similarly.


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Jul 27, 2014 09:42 as a reply to  @ draderusa's post |  #11

Yes it works great with the Odin system.

The best part is that you can use the Mitros+ flash on-camera as the transmitter if needed as well (Ft-16 mounted on an Odin receiver, or Odin receiver attached to Witstro).
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Jul 27, 2014 15:56 |  #12

Just read the manual on the triggers - this is a very versatile system! My bank account isn't big enough! I'm def going to want a few of these lights!




  
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