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What Makes a Good Black & White Image?

 
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Jul 31, 2014 11:33 |  #31

MDJAK wrote in post #17068178 (external link)
Amazing pics and very informative and well thought answers to my poorly phrased question.

Few years back I attended an exhibit of Ansel Adams work in Vegas. I know what I good BW looks like. What I should've asked is how you do it which many above have explained. Thank you.
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Turn saturation way down in Capture One if I'm lazy or open color photo in Photoshop and run Silver Efex 2 if I'm feeling clever. Of course the subject has to support the idea of being in B&W, if you saw your subject in B&W before pressing the shutter, then it'll start looking good from cmd + shift + U.


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Jul 31, 2014 17:52 |  #32

MDJAK wrote in post #17068178 (external link)
Amazing pics and very informative and well thought answers to my poorly phrased question.

Few years back I attended an exhibit of Ansel Adams work in Vegas. I know what I good BW looks like. What I should've asked is how you do it which many above have explained. Thank you.
Mark

I shoot all of my B&W now with a digital only B&W camera...




  
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Jul 31, 2014 18:11 as a reply to  @ Kolor-Pikker's post |  #33
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From today. A green lawn with plenty of dark shadowy trees. I up the green slider to increase the green brightness. Did the same with the yellow channel. Of course, since my bike is black and yellow, you begin to see some highlight clipping on the bike. The bike is small enough for me not to care about the clipping. Lower the brightness of the blue and cyan channels to darkened the trees in the background. The sky is 80% overcast and the tonal brightness didn't change.

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Jul 31, 2014 18:43 |  #34

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I shoot all of my B&W now with a digital only B&W camera...

So I guess you now use a set of "real" colour filters when you shoot, just like shooting film?

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Jul 31, 2014 18:49 |  #35

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So I guess you now use a set of "real" colour filters when you shoot, just like shooting film?

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Yes I do.....:D:D




  
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Aug 01, 2014 08:00 |  #36

I too would really like a true monochrome digital camera, but unfortunatly a rangefinder is not really suitable for the subjects that I mostly shoot. Not to mention the lack of a really long telephoto lens. Something in the 400mm plus range.

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Aug 01, 2014 08:13 |  #37

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I too would really like a true monochrome digital camera, but unfortunatly a rangefinder is not really suitable for the subjects that I mostly shoot. Not to mention the lack of a really long telephoto lens. Something in the 400mm plus range.

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Any 36MP camera should in theory be every bit a sharp as the 18mp MM if you sample the final image down... get a Nikon D810 and it should suffice, if you don't have something similar already.


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Aug 01, 2014 11:40 |  #38

The MM 18MP camera, when talking sharpness is often compared to the D800 (36MP).

If you shoot with long lenses a lot then a rangefinder is not a good option.




  
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Aug 01, 2014 14:33 |  #39

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Any 36MP camera should in theory be every bit a sharp as the 18mp MM if you sample the final image down... get a Nikon D810 and it should suffice, if you don't have something similar already.

Almost any FF camera is out of my reach currently thanks to my disablity (not that I'm compaining, others a lot worse off than me in the world). Let alone a brand new one. I just got back from picking myself up a slightly early 50th birthady pressie. Got a really nice secondhand 50D from WEX. Really clean, 12K clicks, 12 months warranty £267. Can't wait to try it out this weekend, should make a nice upgrade from my 20D. At least I can use my existing batteries and grip in this camera.

I'm sure that I'll get some really nice monochrome conversions out of it, just like I do/did from my old cameras. Just sometimes it would be nice to just shoot it like I used to with film. I suppose I could probably find a nice EOS 30 or 33 for a spot of film shooting and just use FP4 or HP5 like I did when I first started shooting with an SLR. Would sure beat my dad's old Pracktica Nova B with Mayer 50 f/2.8.

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Aug 03, 2014 18:01 |  #40

When I want to shoot a black & white image, I try to see more in texture and shapes, whereas when shooting color my first instinct is to look for...well...color. I often take photos in black & white that would have looked better in color, but some images just work better without color. I usually do less post processing to my black & white photos than those in color. Usually a slight sharpening and tweaking the contrast a little. But I've found, for me at least, the post processing matters far less than the subject and composition.

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Aug 04, 2014 22:09 |  #41

the tonal range of a b&w image is from black to white all the grays in-between.

so it's the contrast that makes or breaks a b&w image.

I would turn your image in to something like this:


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Aug 04, 2014 22:36 as a reply to  @ Mark0159's post |  #42

Here is an example that I like in both color and B&W, but worked differently. It's an old transparency shot from about 30 years ago, editing in LR.


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Aug 04, 2014 23:59 as a reply to  @ Preeb's post |  #43

When I was working for the photographic unit of a large industrial plant I'd spend a lot of time in the B/W darkroom. We had four fulltime photographers and we'd average between 9 and 12 thousand hand printed B/W photos a year, from postcard size to 60x 40 inches. We used to order in 40 inch wide rolls of Ilfospeed paper. We'd also print on fibre based paper for exhibitions etc. Printed off 4x5, 6x6, 6x7, 6x4.5 and 35mm. Tri-X, Ilford FP4 and Ilford PanF were our main B/W emulsions.

I had a good boss who was a brilliant photographer and printer, who became my mentor. "Clean whites, blacks with shadow detail and a full rang of tones" was his catch cry.


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