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Jeremy Cowart weighs in | Art School: To Go or Not To Go?

 
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Aug 03, 2014 13:45 |  #1

A couple people asked me for some extended thoughts on this topic. So here ya go.
I get emails all the time from high school students asking about what they should study, what cameras to buy, where they should go to school, etc. As I said above, I think if you’re going to go to college or your parents are going to force you to go to college, then you should really put your focus on studying all things business, marketing and especially money related.

Granted, you don’t have to choose one or the other but I would make art the lesser priority.
Why?

1. You’re going to learn how to be an artist no matter what because you’re passionate about it. You’ll figure it out. I’m seeing amazing young photographers all the time on OKDOTHIS (external link). I’m talking high school students and sometimes even younger. Crazy talk. It’s inspiring to see them learning lighting and photoshop out of pure passion of making great images.

2. There’s never going to come a day later in your artistic career when you’ll say “Gosh, I just can’t WAIT to learn about money, business and marketing! YAY!!!” Nope, not gonna happen. So why not do that in college?

I can tell you this. As a commercial photographer, I probably spend 5-10 days a month taking pictures. Sometimes less. Granted most of those jobs are good jobs that pay my bills, but that leaves a LOT of other time. And I spend all that time hustling like crazy. Business, marketing, money management, email, relationships, strategy, more business and more marketing. And lots of social media of course. But that’s included in all of the above.

3. Art schools can’t keep up. They think they can but they can’t. This industry is changing at lightning speed. Daily, weekly, monthly, things are changing… the cameras, the software, all of it. And no university program can stay relevant at that speed. Sure, they can teach basic principles, composition, learning how to shoot in manual, etc. But in the bigger picture, most of them are behind.

I hear these statements all the time… “I learned more on your 4 hour LifeFinder DVD than I did in 4 years of college.” Or “I learned more from my KelbyOne classes than I did in 4 years of school.”

4. There is so much available online. Between KelbyOne, creativeLIVE, SkillShare and Phlearn and YouTube in general, you have infinite ways to learn the craft of photography, illustration, graphic design, etc. There’s no excuse these days not to be learning.


5. Many (I’d even bet that most) of my adult artist friends are broke or near broke. It is hard… very hard to make any kind of living as a freelance artist or musician. Sure, you can land that hit song and “make it big” but most don’t. And because they never studied money management or business or marketing, they don’t know how to survive. Their art is amazing… many of them have mastered their crafts in fact. But they’re having a hard time supporting a family.

In the end, you have to take this post with a grain of salt. I’m not saying art schools are bad. In fact, there are incredible art programs out there. I’ve spoken at many of them. My point is, don’t make the mistake that I made and all my friends made by NOT studying money, business and marketing early on.
By the way if I were you the parent, or you the student, I would start by reading this book by Dave Ramsey and Rachel Cruze, “Smart Money Smart Kids: Raising the Next Generation to Win with Money (external link)

You can thank me in a decade.
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Aug 06, 2014 09:54 |  #2

Oh dear… Oh my… Oh no no no… this changes everything! I must now rethink my life. :-(


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Aug 06, 2014 10:07 |  #3

To come from the other side of the fence - I majored in accounting and picked up photography after college. He is spot on about there being a ton of online resources for learning photography - many even for free.

No one wants to go on YouTube and spend 3 hours learning how to do accounting. However I frequently watch the B&H event Space videos in my spare time that can be like two hours long.


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Aug 06, 2014 12:22 |  #4

benji25 wrote in post #17079867 (external link)
No one wants to go on YouTube and spend 3 hours learning how to do accounting.

Hey guys, check out this awesome new video on accrual accounting.




  
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Aug 06, 2014 12:38 |  #5

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Hey guys, check out this awesome new video on accrual accounting.

Spoiler alert: debits end up equaling credits


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Aug 06, 2014 15:57 |  #6

benji25 wrote in post #17080151 (external link)
Spoiler alert: debits end up equaling credits

LOL

You know,thinking about it, I think we've seen a lot of post processing and even HDR in the accounting world.

If only accountants were like the creative folk in marketing. We'd see blogs with post titles like the following

Six must haves on your balance sheet.
Ten ways to write off your gear
Don't make this fatal accounting mistake
Accounting without the numbers
Four steps to less stressful and easier accounting
The only three things you need for cash accounting




  
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Aug 06, 2014 16:10 |  #7

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LOL

You know,thinking about it, I think we've seen a lot of post processing and even HDR in the accounting world.

If only accountants were like the creative folk in marketing. We'd see blogs with post titles like the following

Six must haves on your balance sheet.
Ten ways to write off your gear
Don't make this fatal accounting mistake
Accounting without the numbers
Four steps to less stressful and easier accounting
The only three things you need for cash accounting

I laughed out loud (at work) on the first one haha.


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Aug 06, 2014 18:06 |  #8

Yeah kinda funny and hypocritical. He says ya don't need to study or learn anywhere but on line oh but I offer courses LOL




  
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Aug 06, 2014 18:33 |  #9

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Yeah kinda funny and hypocritical. He says ya don't need to study or learn anywhere but on line oh but I offer courses LOL

And OKDOTHIS is his site as well.

Doesn't mean he isn't correct in many cases, but it does make one wonder about his true motivation.




  
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Aug 06, 2014 18:39 |  #10

This is pretty much exactly my thoughts on art school and my advice has always been to get a business degree.


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Aug 06, 2014 19:32 |  #11

I have posted this before but I will post a very short version now. I have been supporting my family with this since the day I graduated (1986) and have made a good living doing it. I shoot advertising/commercial​. I had my best year last year. Every really successful photographer I know are all great photographers. The ones with studios have studio managers to run the studio. They have reps to market them. We all have great accountants. This leaves us to all do what we love and do well. Thats good business because you can't do it all well.

Great chefs either partner with a business partner or hire someone to run the restaurant. That leaves them to do what they do well.

Doctors all have office managers so they can practice medicine.

Why do photographer think they should or think that they could do it all at the level it will take ot be highly successful? For the most part they can't. That is just one reason most fail.

My advice would be learn all you can about the technique and what's maybe more important the visual side. Find who you are as a photographer. Grow that because what will separate you form the herd is if you can bring something that only you can bring to the table. Your vision.

A business degree will prepare you to work for IBM. Go to work for a successful photographer for a few years in the field you want to get into.

Thats my 2 cents and most of this advice comes from experience.




  
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airfrogusmc wrote in post #17080904 (external link)
I have posted this before but I will post a very short version now. I have been supporting my family with this since the day I graduated (1986) and have made a good living doing it. I shoot advertising/commercial​. I had my best year last year. Every really successful photographer I know are all great photographers. The ones with studios have studio managers to run the studio. They have reps to market them. We all have great accountants. This leaves us to all do what we love and do well. Thats good business because you can't do it all well.

Great chefs either partner with a business partner or hire someone to run the restaurant. That leaves them to do what they do well.

Doctors all have office managers so they can practice medicine.

Why do photographer think they should or think that they could do it all at the level it will take ot be highly successful? For the most part they can't. That is just one reason most fail.

My advice would be learn all you can about the technique and what's maybe more important the visual side. Find who you are as a photographer. Grow that because what will separate you form the herd is if you can bring something that only you can bring to the table. Your vision.

A business degree will prepare you to work for IBM. Go to work for a successful photographer for a few years in the field you want to get into.

Thats my 2 cents and most of this advice comes from experience.

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Aug 07, 2014 01:16 |  #13

airfrogusmc wrote in post #17080904 (external link)
I have posted this before but I will post a very short version now.

i know exactly what you mean (my shift key isn't working for my 'i' key for some reason). i feel as if i've posted too many times on the subject but will also say that i graduated with a BFA in graphic design and have not been unemployed since (plus, in these parts, most positions require at LEAST a BA). Finding your own unique visual style that separates you from the rest, learning to critique and be critiqued (and i'm not talking about 'boy that bokeh sure looks magical), etc. are invaluable and something you do not get when you're learning something very black and white, like accounting. Boring. Blech. Yuk. NO way.


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Aug 07, 2014 04:45 |  #14

I'd love to know the stats as to how many of those who have completed an arts degree in the last 5 years have made the transition to full-time paid positions as photographers. My guess would be not a very high percentage.


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Aug 07, 2014 04:55 |  #15

In fact doing a little Googling reveals it is up in the top 10 for the worst majors you can do with regards to your employment prospects after completing it.


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