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Aug 12, 2014 17:00 |  #16

Jarvis Creative Studios wrote in post #17091915 (external link)
Wow. I've honestly noticed this from a lot of photographers who are "getting up there" in age. They think that because we don't have our own dark rooms and spend hours developing our film we have no place in the business. We are "craigslist", or "instagram" photographers. To me, these type of people no longer have a place in the business, because they are unwilling to change and adapt to where the business is at. This specific example of criticism seems especially unnecessary, since these photographers are two completely different genres. One appears to be a street and still life photographer, and the other is a family and newborn photographer (rated best in Las Vegas by CBS News I might add, hardly CL material). This would be like bluegrass guitar player criticizing Jimmy hendrix for using pedals that changed the stock sound of his guitar.

I just can't get over them criticizing for digital manipulation. Ansel Adams heavily altered his photos in the darkroom.

Now, you can go too far with post processing, but that's another issue.


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Aug 12, 2014 17:03 |  #17

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Not to mention I can't get his portfolio to load. That could be me though because I am at work and on internet explorer which is a PoS.

Consider yourself lucky. His "work" is godawful.


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Aug 12, 2014 17:05 |  #18

Numenorean wrote in post #17091935 (external link)
I just can't get over them criticizing for digital manipulation. Ansel Adams heavily altered his photos in the darkroom.

Now, you can go too far with post processing, but that's another issue.

Yeah, but the thing is that he himself is photoshopping the hell out of his pics. Except he gets it all wrong. No wonder he's so jealous.


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Aug 12, 2014 17:07 |  #19

benji25 wrote in post #17091889 (external link)
Casper?

edit: I guess casperetta in this case.

Funny. Must ETTR.




  
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Aug 12, 2014 17:15 |  #20

benji25 wrote in post #17091857 (external link)
What he thinks client's priorities are in picking a photographer:

1. Nostalgia
2. Advanced concepts of post processing
3. How it was done in the past
4. His opinion on other photographers
5. "Pure" photography (whatever that is?)
6. How much work other photographers "crank out"
7. etc. etc. etc.

What the clients ACTUAL priorities are:
1. Do I like their portfolio?
2. Can I afford them?

Not to mention I can't get his portfolio to load. That could be me though because I am at work and on internet explorer which is a PoS.

It took my forever too. I would have left if I were a potential client. :cool:


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Aug 12, 2014 17:17 |  #21

My mother always told me "If you don't have anything nice to say, then keep your mouth shut". ;)


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Aug 12, 2014 17:18 |  #22

Hikin Mike wrote in post #17091965 (external link)
It took my forever too. I would have left if I were a potential client. :cool:

The website is pretty bad and takes forever to load photos, but they eventually do load...right before crashing the tab.


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Aug 12, 2014 17:24 |  #23

One person has vision, the other person doesn't. The person who has no vision is jealous of the person who has vision and a successful business.

By the way, there are plenty of us old farts who came up in the film business that have adapted to digital without the loss of our skills or wits. That guy who wrote the diatribe, the one with no vision. He's a lot younger than me.


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Aug 12, 2014 17:26 |  #24

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A photographer (who happens to be a forum member) was openly criticized by another photographer . . .

Wow. Even with the photos removed, the writer's descriptions leave no doubt about who the criticized photographer is.

The classic B&W images near the end have no credit lines. Did the poster have permission to reproduce these?


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Aug 12, 2014 17:30 |  #25

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Wow. Even with the photos removed, the writer's descriptions leave no doubt about who the criticized photographer is.

The classic B&W images near the end have no credit lines. Did the poster have permission to reproduce these?

None of those black and whites were classics. With one exception they were mundane setups. Classic is Karsh, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Ansel Adams, Alfred Stieglitz, etc.


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Aug 12, 2014 17:34 |  #26
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Like any potential client is gonna actually read such a long diatribe.


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Aug 12, 2014 17:42 as a reply to  @ post 17091923 |  #27

someone doesn't take their own critiques. every single image on that site is over-processed.


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Aug 12, 2014 17:43 |  #28

OhLook wrote in post #17091988 (external link)
Wow. Even with the photos removed, the writer's descriptions leave no doubt about who the criticized photographer is.

The classic B&W images near the end have no credit lines. Did the poster have permission to reproduce these?

I emailed Meg when I saw her photos on his post. He's now mentioning how the photographer "whined" about him using her images without permission.


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Aug 12, 2014 17:48 |  #29

Moselem wrote in post #17092017 (external link)
I emailed Meg when I saw her photos on his post. He's now mentioning how the photographer "whined" about him using her images without permission.

Who is Meg? I thought those photos were someone elses.


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Aug 12, 2014 17:51 |  #30

Numenorean wrote in post #17092034 (external link)
Who is Meg? I thought those photos were someone elses.

Meg Bitton was the photographer he was calling out for not having a formal education: http://www.megbitton.c​om/ (external link) The "oversaturated" shot of the girl and red rocks and the one he posted below that.


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