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24-70 f/2.8 ii : Give it another chance?

 
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Aug 13, 2014 11:39 |  #1

Picked up this lens during the refurbished lens sale, but have to return it due to some issues with the lens (including softness wide open at 24mm). It's out of stock so I have to return it rather than getting an exchange.

Since this lens would be a workhorse lens for me, I'm thinking if I get another copy I'll just go the brand-new route and pony up the extra couple of hundred bucks.

That being said, I'm a bit torn about the lens itself and whether I should give it another shot.

My DSLR kit is increasingly becoming more of a "special occasion" camera, and I use it primarily to shoot various events. My primary lens for that purpose has been the 24-105L, so the 24-70 was the natural comparison to that for me.

Although I had the lens briefly, I was able to use it to shoot an event - a co-worker's birthday party. Outside the issue at 24mm, I thought the lens lived up to its billing. The IQ wide open was very good, and noticeably better at all apertures than my 24-105 (but not to the degree I was expecting. It was better, but not mind-blowingly so). The AF was snappy and accurate.

But the extra stop of light wasn't as useful as I thought it would be. This is the first zoom lens I"ve used with a DSLR that did not have IS. Also I was constantly running around trying to get quick shots, so I wasn't able to slow down, breathe, and steady the lens as much as I wanted to. As such, at 70mm, I generally needed to keep my shutter speed around 1/80-1/100 for sharp shots. With IS on my 24-105, I could do 1/50. Of course, this is as long as my subjects are still. But generally I thought the IS was very helpful, and I missed it more than I thought I would.

As for DOF, when I wanted shallow and to isolate the subject, I felt like f/2.8 didn't make much difference from f/4, especially if I used the longer end of the 24-105. For this purpose, I think f/2 or faster might be what I need (something like an 85mm 1.8 maybe).

In sum, the 24-70 generally improved on the 24-105, but not as much as I thought it would, and the 70-105 range was missed.

Then again, the 24-70 is an impressive lens that is the go-to lens for tons of event photographers, so obviously there's a reason for that. So I'm wondering if I should give the lens another shot (maybe I'll get a much better copy this time), maybe work on my technique a bit (so I can use slower shutter speeds). Or does it sound like the lens, as good as it is, just doesnt' really work for my style of shooting, and I should invest the money elsewhere?




  
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Aug 13, 2014 11:51 |  #2

Quite the read for such a simple question. You'll get more responses if you keep the explanation short and sweet, for future reference.

If I were you I would grab another copy of the lens. You've already had the opportunity to use it and see the performance (setting the issues aside) so you should be comfortable with it. Non-IS shouldn't be an issue if you get used to it. IS is definitely a plus, but not a requirement IMO.


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Aug 13, 2014 12:07 |  #3

JM Photos wrote in post #17093586 (external link)
Quite the read for such a simple question. You'll get more responses if you keep the explanation short and sweet, for future reference.

If I were you I would grab another copy of the lens. You've already had the opportunity to use it and see the performance (setting the issues aside) so you should be comfortable with it. Non-IS shouldn't be an issue if you get used to it. IS is definitely a plus, but not a requirement IMO.

I don't think it's a simple question. A question like "is the 24-70 really better than the 24-105" doesn't really address the issues I have and just invites a ton of non-relevant responses. I'd rather write a long lengthy post that might get less reads/answers from people but would also invite more relevant responses specific to my issues.

And you kinda proved my point by touching on the IS/non-IS issue :), which I specifically mention.




  
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Aug 13, 2014 12:17 |  #4

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I don't think it's a simple question. A question like "is the 24-70 really better than the 24-105" doesn't really address the issues I have and just invites a ton of non-relevant responses. I'd rather write a long lengthy post that might get less reads/answers from people but would also invite more relevant responses specific to my issues.

And you kinda proved my point by touching on the IS/non-IS issue :), which I specifically mention.

Touche! I don't let IS be a deciding factor. But for the situation, I weight out what I'll be using the lens for. Personally, if I had the 24-70, it would be a landscape lens where IS doesn't matter to me since I'm on a tripod 99.9% of the time.


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Aug 13, 2014 12:25 |  #5

Do it TDK, the brick 2 is worth it for another chance. Love mine as it sharps like a blade at 24mm and more. Focus is amazingly smooth and silence!


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Aug 13, 2014 12:25 |  #6

Have you thought about the Tamron 24-70? You get their version of IS and 2.8, not quite as sharp but not far off either.




  
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Aug 13, 2014 12:32 |  #7

El Pedro wrote in post #17093686 (external link)
Have you thought about the Tamron 24-70? You get their version of IS and 2.8, not quite as sharp but not far off either.

I don't think their QC is on par with Canon's, the question is if you can get a good copy


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Aug 13, 2014 12:34 |  #8

El Pedro wrote in post #17093686 (external link)
Have you thought about the Tamron 24-70? You get their version of IS and 2.8, not quite as sharp but not far off either.

I'm actually giving it more consideration now, because of the IS.

That being said, my brief experience with this lens has me wondering if I really need 2.8 in this range at all.




  
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Aug 13, 2014 12:35 |  #9

why not a ues'd 24-70 2.8 and save some change on the way! i no the zoom is back words but besides this its a grate lens.


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Aug 13, 2014 12:36 |  #10

blanex1@netzero.com wrote in post #17093705 (external link)
why not a ues'd 24-70 2.8 and save some change on the way! i no the zoom is back words but besides this its a grate lens.

Yeah but you have 6 years to get a good copy and 800 more dollars. Mine is sharp as a tack only seasoned pro's would be able to tell the difference at 100% crop.

Just saying.




  
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Aug 13, 2014 12:40 |  #11

There are 6 pages to read here about the 2 lens: https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1339647

Tamron calls it VC (Vibration Compensation) btw not IS.


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Aug 13, 2014 12:46 |  #12

El Pedro wrote in post #17093686 (external link)
Have you thought about the Tamron 24-70? You get their version of IS and 2.8, not quite as sharp but not far off either.

+1. Close enough for me.. Link (external link)

... and with stabilization to boot. The Tamron's at the top of my wish list. But then I'm an IS junkie.


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Aug 13, 2014 12:53 |  #13

LV Moose wrote in post #17093738 (external link)
+1. Close enough for me.. Link (external link)

... and with stabilization to boot. The Tamron's at the top of my wish list. But then I'm an IS junkie.

I like when my wife doesnt strangle me for spending the extra money... lol Ugg




  
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Aug 13, 2014 13:09 |  #14

The Canon 24-70 II really is remarkably sharp at f/2.8. Here are a few samples I have taken at f/2.8: https://www.dropbox.co​m …%20f%3A2.8%20II​%20Samples (external link)

If you need THE zoom, the 24-70 II is the one. For my needs however, I've found that zooms lenses just don't do it for me, so I've decided to go the prime route. At the end of the day, it comes down to whatever your needs are.




  
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Aug 13, 2014 13:15 |  #15

A big reason for getting the 24-70ii is at 24mm, it is one of the sharpest lens corner to corner. This lens is great for landscape shots even at f4.


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