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Aug 17, 2014 02:46 |  #1

How do you do it?

I 2nd shot a small wedding today and long story short there were a few ladies that were in the way the entire time. The B&G, primary shooter and I all spoke to these ladies and nothing changed. We ended up jumping in the car and changing locations on the fly just to get away to get some proper photos.

I would like to prevent this from happening again or at least a good way to handle it if it does because I don't want photos to be ruined because the B&G are more worried about chasing guests away then they are about getting photos done.

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Aug 17, 2014 03:13 |  #2

the flying moose wrote in post #17100890 (external link)
How do you do it?

I 2nd shot a small wedding today and long story short there were a few ladies that were in the way the entire time. The B&G, primary shooter and I all spoke to these ladies and nothing changed. We ended up jumping in the car and changing locations on the fly just to get away to get some proper photos.

I would like to prevent this from happening again or at least a good way to handle it if it does because I don't want photos to be ruined because the B&G are more worried about chasing guests away then they are about getting photos done.

Thanks!

You already found the solution.

Do you like strangers coming up to you and ordering you where to go and stand? If the answer is no, then you'll understand how others feel. As much as members of these forums would like this to be the case, carrying a camera does not give you any special power or authority over people.

You need to have photographic locations where you have absolute control over access and unwanted people will not get in your way.

One important point you did not address is whether this event happened in a public location. If that was the case, then you may not have had the right or authority to hand out orders to people.


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Aug 17, 2014 03:22 |  #3

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You already found the solution.

Do you like strangers coming up to you and ordering you where to go and stand? If the answer is no, then you'll understand how others feel. As much as members of these forums would like this to be the case, carrying a camera does not give you any special power or authority over people.

You need to have photographic locations where you have absolute control over access and unwanted people will not get in your way.

One important point you did not address is whether this event happened in a public location. If that was the case, then you may not have had the right or authority to hand out orders to people.


Human nature can't be controlled as easily as equipment.

Sorry I should have clarified, these were wedding guests getting in the way. Not just the general public. Think Grandma or Aunt Judy trying to get the shot with her iPad. That type of thing.




  
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Aug 17, 2014 05:06 |  #4

the flying moose wrote in post #17100924 (external link)
Sorry I should have clarified, these were wedding guests getting in the way. Not just the general public. Think Grandma or Aunt Judy trying to get the shot with her iPad. That type of thing.

...I literally can't imagine the situation you are describing. If Grandma or Aunt Judy are getting in my way getting their shot with an iPad, if they don't listen to me politely then I get very very unpolite. But I've never had it happen because I can't imagine getting into a situation that I wouldn't be able to control.

As a wedding photographer you do so much more than just snap the shutter. If your people skills are so inadequate you can't deal with Grandma and an iPad, then all I can suggest is that you get better (the primary photographer) at dealing with people.


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Aug 17, 2014 05:59 |  #5

during a ceremony it could be difficult to say something but you are speaking of a reception?

I am shocked if this is really at a reception


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Aug 17, 2014 07:06 |  #6

"Hey guys, let us take care of what we need so that way you guys can have an opportunity to also snap some photos of B&G,we will be sure to also snap plenty photos of you individually with the B&G later on in the reception area, so that no one is left out. Thanks for understanding." If that doesn't work a few times, then you can just maneuver yourself around those people,thats it. But really you should have a designated time slot post ceremony where you can spend time getting specific type of shots with the B&G, fam and friends and then getting over into the reception area after. Let the main lead shooter be the lead on that.

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How do you do it?

I 2nd shot a small wedding today and long story short there were a few ladies that were in the way the entire time. The B&G, primary shooter and I all spoke to these ladies and nothing changed. We ended up jumping in the car and changing locations on the fly just to get away to get some proper photos.

I would like to prevent this from happening again or at least a good way to handle it if it does because I don't want photos to be ruined because the B&G are more worried about chasing guests away then they are about getting photos done.

Thanks!


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Aug 17, 2014 08:42 |  #7

Eiro wrote in post #17101079 (external link)
...If that doesn't work a few times, then you can just maneuver yourself around those people,thats it.

I'm not a wedding photog, but I've been in other situations where people are in the way. "Maneuver yourself around those people.." sounds like a poor idea, especially when you're getting paid to produce the best shots you can manage. You're compromising your images; getting in front of, or to the side of, those people changes your angles, the relationship of the subjects to the background, and so on. Just a few steps from where you want/need to be can be huge.


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Aug 17, 2014 10:42 |  #8

Sounds to me like neither yourself nor your primary were assertive enough.


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Aug 17, 2014 12:00 |  #9

Perhaps,you've never shot weddings who knows.
If you want the shot, you make it happen. People at the weddings have zero care for what you want. They're just there for the ceremony,free food,and to take a crap load of pics with their little camera phone. No one is there to accommodate the photog and make it easy for them. If you're getting paid you have to take charge and do what's best for you. If you're comprising images to not be in the way of other people then you're in the wrong career or as many these days "wrong weekend hobby".

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I'm not a wedding photog, but I've been in other situations where people are in the way. "Maneuver yourself around those people.." sounds like a poor idea, especially when you're getting paid to produce the best shots you can manage. You're compromising your images; getting in front of, or to the side of, those people changes your angles, the relationship of the subjects to the background, and so on. Just a few steps from where you want/need to be can be huge.


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Aug 17, 2014 12:20 |  #10

Eiro wrote in post #17101506 (external link)
Perhaps,you've never shot weddings who knows.
If you want the shot, you make it happen. People at the weddings have zero care for what you want. They're just there for the ceremony,free food,and to take a crap load of pics with their little camera phone. No one is there to accommodate the photog and make it easy for them. If you're getting paid you have to take charge and do what's best for you. If you're comprising images to not be in the way of other people then you're in the wrong career or as many these days "wrong weekend hobby".

It sounds like you're arguing with me, but you're making the exact points I did. Read my post again.


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Aug 17, 2014 12:21 |  #11

Not arguing at all. Sounds like you're just searching for an argument. Take Care.

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It sounds like you're arguing with me, but you're making the exact points I did. Read my post again.


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Aug 17, 2014 12:23 |  #12

Eiro wrote in post #17101543 (external link)
Not arguing at all. Sounds like you're just searching for an argument.

Nope. Not my thing :)


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Aug 17, 2014 16:17 |  #13

Quickly explain why they're hurting the photos that the B&G paid thousands for.


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Aug 17, 2014 17:32 as a reply to  @ tim's post |  #14

Unfortunately, given human nature and examples demonstrated on these forums, there's no easy, simple, polite or complete solution to this sort of circumstance.

First, consider the number of messages posted on these forums from people who are delighted by the sense of importance they get from carrying what is considered “professional" camera equipment. Add to that the anger those people display when they find they’re restricted in using that equipment in favor of paid photographers.

And, at weddings, you get demonstrated situations where amateurs with expensive equipment have ruined wedding pictures (external link) attempted by hired wedding photographers.

Unfortunately, there's no foolproof way to handle the situation of people getting in the way at weddings other than to ban any cameras other than the ones used by the hired photographers and videographers. That means security checks and turning away people with cameras.

Of course, when that happens, there will be an enraged, spittle-flecked message pounded out and rammed onto these forums from a person angered beyond control that anyone would dare tell them what to do with their expensive camera equipment.

If common courtesy and restraint were truly common, there would be an easy solution, but there's too much to show there's no simple or clean way out.

On top of that, there are the horror stories of conflicts between still photographers and videographers at the same weddings, but that's for another discussion.




  
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Aug 17, 2014 22:02 |  #15

Thanks for the replies all. Its always nice to get opinions from different people. I will definitely be more assertive next time.

How does this sound for a reply? "Excuse me, you are in our way. The bride and groom have spent thousands of dollars for us to provide them a service and your getting in the way all the time is preventing us from doing our job as best we can. There will plenty of opportunities at the reception to take photos of the bride and groom but right now is their time and we need to do our job without distractions to us or to the bride and groom so we can provide them with the best photos possible."




  
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