cheetah Cl360 and Cl180 users

There was some talk going around that the units wont do HSS at the same time. This is not true.

OK so I was talking to Ed today. Both The CL360 and the Cl180 does in fact do HSS at the same time and you can seperately control power to both lights from the TX transmitter and HSS is achieved by using a Cells11 transmitter or a YN622C triggers on the lights. Shot many today with the cells11 transmitter F/2.0 at 1/1600 through 1/8000. I was in AV mode and hitting 1/5000 and 1/8000 at F/1.2 with no issues

also,, Ed also indicated that the cells11 transmitter is going to be discontinued so get one while you can if your a canon shooter------the reason--- the YN622 trigger does the same thing and its cheaper. I told him i disagree because you need to have a trigger on each light with the YN622's and not with a cells11 transmitter. One cells11 fires entire system and you can still control power sepeately with the TX transmitter to each light....bad move if they do this.... They are available on amazon through Godex.

Where did you read that that it would not work???????

On the second I agree, that is better to have one on the camera then also one in the hand. Are they bonkers at Godox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When i first tried HSS with both units I could not get the 180 to fire with the cells11 transmitter so i called and started asking around. I was getting some really conflicting info. So The only thing i can think of was that the 180 must have been on a different channel when i tried it. But Yeah it works well.

Regarding the cells11 transmiter. I think canon shooters should send Godex and Email and let Ed know as well that this is a bonehead move to not continue making it. The cells11 fires all the units when you have it set up right and the stock transmitter allows you to switch channels and control light output both in HSS and regular modes. The way they are thinking, your gonna have to have a 622 for each light now....not smart

umphotography wrote in post #17110235
When i first tried HSS with both units I could not get the 180 to fire with the cells11 transmitter so i called and started asking around. I was getting some really conflicting info. So The only thing i can think of was that the 180 must have been on a different channel when i tried it. But Yeah it works well.

Regarding the cells11 transmiter. I think canon shooters should send Godex and Email and let Ed know as well that this is a bonehead move to not continue making it. The cells11 fires all the units when you have it set up right and the stock transmitter allows you to switch channels and control light output both in HSS and regular modes. The way they are thinking, your gonna have to have a 622 for each light now....not smart

This post tells a different story. Frankly one that rings truer to me than the story about price comparison to the 622. Sounds like someone got an angry letter from someone else's lawyer.
https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=17086571&po​stcount=11

umphotography wrote in post #17110059
Ed also indicated that the cells11 transmitter is going to be discontinued so get one while you can if your a canon shooter------the reason--- the YN622 trigger does the same thing and its cheaper. I told him i disagree because you need to have a trigger on each light with the YN622's and not with a cells11 transmitter. One cells11 fires entire system and you can still control power sepeately with the TX transmitter to each light....bad move if they do this.... They are available on amazon through Godex.

draderusa wrote in post #17110437
This post tells a different story. Frankly one that rings truer to me than the story about price comparison to the 622. Sounds like someone got an angry letter from someone else's lawyer.
https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=17086571&po​stcount=11

I too had independently heard that this was a legal rather than a price/competition decision. In either case though, very disappointing for those who don't yet have Cells II or Cells IIC units in their armoury.

The bright side is that it does now leave a gaping hole in the Godox Witstro line which could/should stimulate development of an integrated unit combining the capabilities of the FT16 and Cells II and hopefully bypassing any legal issues. Time alone will tell on this - Godox do generally seem to be rather good at responding to global buyers' needs though. Much will depend on demand from Godox's bigger Pan-Asian markets. Fingers crossed!

draderusa wrote in post #17110437
https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=17086571&po​stcount=11

i saw this when originally posted. I can't see any way a copyright issue could shut down production of a product.

A trademark or patent issue is more likely. Since we've seen trademark issues with the Xenergizer (whatever it is), and they just changed the name, I suspect the Cells II is under some kind of patent battle. It would be more expensive and take longer to resolve such an issue.

edit, wasn't it determined that you could hook a 622 to a FT-16 to get all the 360-/180s to fire with the standard RX unit?

hes gone wrote in post #17110981
=he's gone;17110981]i saw this when originally posted. I can't see any way a copyright issue could shut down production of a product.

A trademark or patent issue is more likely. Since we've seen trademark issues with the Xenergizer (whatever it is), and they just changed the name, I suspect the Cells II is under some kind of patent battle. It would be more expensive and take longer to resolve such an issue.

edit, wasn't it determined that you could hook a 622 to a FT-16 to get all the 360-/180s to fire with the standard RX unit?

Bottom line is that Godox will not produce any further Cells II due to copyright/trademark/pa​tent etc.. issues according to Ed.

Yes, in-fact I am testing that again now! 360 on a light stand by itself, D4 with 622n mounted and the FT-16 mounted on top of that. Works perfectly and synchs all the way to 1/8000. Only one 622n is used.......

Robsphoto wrote in post #17111303
Bottom line is that Godox will not produce any further Cells II due to copyright/trademark/pa​tent etc.. issues according to Ed.

Yes, in-fact I am testing that again now! 360 on a light stand by itself, D4 with 622n mounted and the FT-16 mounted on top of that. Works perfectly and synchs all the way to 1/8000. Only one 622n is used.......

oh wow, I was thinking it was a 622 in camera hot shoe, then another connected via sync cord to the ft-16. Any word if this works with a Canon set up?

It makes sense that it would work this way. My 603II do not pass the sync signal unless they are turned on. I guess this means that they generate the signal for their hotshoe to fire in response to the signal from the camera (rather than just passing the camera's signal straight to the trigger's hotshoe)

am i making this easier or harder? :P

hes gone wrote in post #17111350
=he's gone;17111350]oh wow, I was thinking it was a 622 in camera hot shoe, then another connected via sync cord to the ft-16. Any word if this works with a Canon set up?

It makes sense that it would work this way. My 603II do not pass the sync signal unless they are turned on. I guess this means that they generate the signal for their hotshoe to fire in response to the signal from the camera (rather than just passing the camera's signal straight to the trigger's hotshoe)

am i making this easier or harder? :P

From what I've read on Elv's Flash Havoc site I believe only the Nikon version can provide the early fire signal necessary for HSS directly through the hotshoe of the 622. You can work around this problem by picking up one of these: http://www.flashzebra.​com/products/0273/inde​x.shtml

Screw the pc sync cable end into the camera mounted 622's sync port and slide the cold foot of the hotshoe adapter into the hotshoe of the 622. Mount your FT-16 on top of the adapter and you should have HSS available. It is clunkier than the direct connection on the Nikon model but it should work fine. I use that setup on a remote 622. I can't see any reason it wouldn't work on a camera mounted 622. To be clear though. There is no electrical connection between the hotshoe adapter and the 622. You are just using the 622 hotshoe as a physical mounting point.

hes gone wrote in post #17111350
=he's gone;17111350]oh wow, I was thinking it was a 622 in camera hot shoe, then another connected via sync cord to the ft-16. Any word if this works with a Canon set up?

It makes sense that it would work this way. My 603II do not pass the sync signal unless they are turned on. I guess this means that they generate the signal for their hotshoe to fire in response to the signal from the camera (rather than just passing the camera's signal straight to the trigger's hotshoe)

am i making this easier or harder? :P

I believe with the canon you have to use two 622c's one on camera and the other connected to the 180/360 via a cord.

Robsphoto wrote in post #17111606
I believe with the canon you have to use two 622c's one on camera and the other connected to the 180/360 via a cord.

You only need one 622 on camera as shown here: http://flashhavoc.com …dio-trigger-alternatives/

About half way down on the page under the Canon section Elv shows exactly what I described in my post. I just took the extra step of mounting the hotshoe adapter into the 622 hotshoe. As long as the FT-16 is connected via sync cable it will trigger the remote 360 in H mode via the Godox USB receiver just as a CellsIIC would do.

Robsphoto wrote in post #17111606
I believe with the canon you have to use two 622c's one on camera and the other connected to the 180/360 via a cord.

No Cord needed. But you have to mount the 622 directly to the hot shoe of thr 360 or 180. That means one for each unit if you dont have a cells11...im gonna buy another one from amzon because unfortunately i have snaped a few Plyss 11's right off the top of my cameras

Can't you use a FT-16 on one Odin trigger with an Odin transmitter in the hot shoe as well?

umphotography wrote in post #17114500
No Cord needed. But you have to mount the 622 directly to the hot shoe of thr 360 or 180. That means one for each unit if you dont have a cells11...im gonna buy another one from amzon because unfortunately i have snaped a few Plyss 11's right off the top of my cameras

Well cord needed if you don't want to buy multiple 622s. I have a 360, and 4x 850s. The cord option is cheaper, but I actually have a Cells2 so I generally use that, but a the flash zebra corded option is a little cleaner.

adammazza wrote in post #17116684
Well cord needed if you don't want to buy multiple 622s. I have a 360, and 4x 850s. The cord option is cheaper, but I actually have a Cells2 so I generally use that, but a the flash zebra corded option is a little cleaner.

Adam,, could you explain that a bit better with the cord. Are you guys that are using the cord just triggering one and they all follow suit..im now very confused. also, flash zebras set up. Thanks in advance.