7DII specs "90% confidence"

Not only does Canon need a new sensor to really steal the market; they need it give the 7DMII something other than a mostly software update over its predecessor. Otherwise the only area of improvement will be the AF and the 7D already has AF better than most need.

IF it had only been a year or two since the 7D that would be fine, but its been a long while now, the 7DMII is almost sitting in a spot that a 7DMIII would be sitting in so its got to be show-stealing to really get existing owners to really push for an upgrade early; and nothing will do that more than a new sensor.

Similarly a lack of a new sensor will be a bad marketing move overall; esp since the 7D line is now the highest tier crop sensor they produce (no 1.3 1D line crop any more). It would almost be better to not release the new camera than to release it with the same current gen sensor (unless they do some utterly fantastic software that revolutionises it).

I'm quite interested in what the outcome will be of the organic sensors.

But one thing I don't like about the Fujifilm presentation it is that they make their comparison with a traditional CMOS sensor with all the metal layers above the wells, instead of comparing it with a backlit CMOS sensor design.

Anyway - there are still lots to do in the sensor department so we will see better cameras. All we have to wonder about is just how long to wait before we see the next significant improvement released by Canon.

Overread wrote in post #17115238
It would almost be better to not release the new camera than to release it with the same current gen sensor (unless they do some utterly fantastic software that revolutionises it).

I think the lack of a released 7D2 is because Canon several years ago realized that it's better to not release any update if it isn't worth the wait.

jorkata wrote in post #17114832
That was my hope too - but the leaked specs don't seem to support that .

I'm not saying you are wrong, I just don't see how you are getting that result by the leaked specs. Especially when everything up to now has been about a new sensor. Unless you believe that any 20mp sensor has to be the old sensor.

pwm2 wrote in post #17115244
I think the lack of a released 7D2 is because Canon several years ago realized that it's better to not release any update if it isn't worth the wait.

Wait a minute, Canon is the king of releasing something because it's time even if they have nothing to release. 20D/30D almost no difference, Ti4/Ti5 no difference and then you have the SL1 and white SL1. Wow!! What an upgrade that was.

There is one 100% true and accurate section on the CR page

Kind of sums up the whole CR site

Consciously trying to ignore all the anticipation and rumors about the expected 7DII. It will be what it will be. If it has stuff that has no value to me, or worse, I abhor (I'm looking at you, built-in grip), then the 70D will be my next camera.

If it has a foveon-like sensor and a grip, then I will be truly perplexed.

gjl711 wrote in post #17115294
Wait a minute, Canon is the king of releasing something because it's time even if they have nothing to release. 20D/30D almost no difference, Ti4/Ti5 no difference and then you have the SL1 and white SL1. Wow!! What an upgrade that was.

The difference is that the xxD and Rebel series cameras are not leading technology. Barring some advances in video features, they are basically upper level cameras with stripped out features and some reworking of the body design.

The 1D line however is flagship and always pushed for bigger advance gaps. The same is now basically a very likely truth for the 7D because its now the highest level crop sensor Canon makes as they no longer have a 1.3 crop 1D line body. With the 7D as basically a more affordable flagship model they can't really afford to have the MII be anything but a big advance.

And sure this means that if there IS a new sensor the 80D will be around the corner and likely released next year with that sensor - along with a new rebel series body as well.

And Yes Canon hardly has any rumours that leak. In fact most are either very rare situations where someone catches an item being field tested or its information leaked just before a major release when the info has basically been released from Canon HQ to various news and stores outlets and as such the info is basically out there just not officially "time" to release (there's always someone who leaks it or someones website that updates early).

Most of the other rumours on CR (and nikon rumours for that matter too) are mostly the result of observing release patterns, observing the competition and technology advance and then just posting that as rumour. Heck they've had "100% certain rumours" of a 100-400mm MKII being released - they know it will likely happen someday and if it never does eh its just a rumour.

So basically yeah until a few days before the big announcement basically just treat rumours as wishful thinking .

gjl711 wrote in post #17115294
Wait a minute, Canon is the king of releasing something because it's time even if they have nothing to release. 20D/30D almost no difference, Ti4/Ti5 no difference and then you have the SL1 and white SL1. Wow!! What an upgrade that was.

I think that one of the big differences in a release cycle involving those cameras is that the ones you listed are lower end and far more 'consumer' grade than the 7D. Many of the buyers of those aren't going to be looking overly closely at the specifications, but rather see that the 30D is newer than the 20D, and has a bigger number. Therefore it must be better, and possibly even worth an upgrade!

This however is probably far more-so related to the rebel line, but more than likely still kind of applies to the XXD line as well if to a lesser extent. People who are willing to shell out for something like a 7D or better are probably vastly more likely to read detailed review sites, and would be far more likely to pick up on people bashing the 7D for not being 'enough' after all this time. It makes sense to be a little more cautious with product lines as they get pricier.

Is there any evidence, anywhere, that anything CR has ever predicted has materialized? Is there any evidence, anywhere, that CR doesn't just toss turds at the wall hoping one will stick? If they make enough guesses with enough variations one of them is bound to be close. I will admit that CR is quite good at one thing; delivering eyeballs to their advertisers.

When the 7Dii does not appear at Photokina, is anyone predicting what CR's next 'prediction' will be?

Footbag wrote in post #17114642
The sensor from the 70D?

I will be really disappointed in Canon if that is the case.

mclaren777 wrote in post #17115415
I will be really disappointed in Canon if that is the case.

I'd say there will be lots of very angry Canon owners if Canon releases a 7D replacement with "just" the 70D sensor. The dual-pixel concept is great - but it needs to be combined with a more modern design. So more low-ISO dynamic range. And maybe Canon could manage a backlit sensor with less vignetting. Or why not go for their 5-layer foveon-style sensor where it would be possible to tweak how much near-IR and near-UV we want to make use of?

But in the end, Canon just need to do more than replicate the 70D sensor into the rest of their bodies.

You know what? Canon is gonna release the 7D2 with the 70D sensor, the 5D4 with the 6D sensor...

Then...when people sold their Canons and switched...

6 months later, they release an SL2 with a next generation multi-layer sensor.

Avo wrote in post #17115500
You know what? Canon is gonna release the 7D2 with the 70D sensor, the 5D4 with the 6D sensor...

Then...when people sold their Canons and switched...

6 months later, they release an SL2 with a next generation multi-layer sensor.

I find this just as likely as the release of the 7Dii next month. Feed this to CR, it will be frontpage news in a few days. CR2, most likely.

I think it will just be the 70d sensor with a step up in the AF. The camera you guys want the 7dii to be exists already. It's called the 1DX. The only problem is the price.