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6D or Leica M240 Switch thoughts

 
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Aug 30, 2014 18:54 |  #16

Charlie wrote in post #17126844 (external link)
this is somewhat true. It really comes down to lenses.

OM 21, supposedly super optics, and tiny 21mm, would make for an excellent landscape lens. there are a lot of smaller 35mm lenses, and most have decent to good optics. 50mm's..... there is the nikkor 50mm F1.2, pretty good when I played with it. Once you drift beyond, there's almost no more weight savings (though you can still save on size). Replacing that 70-200, you need some sort of 135mm F2, and all of those are fairly heavy and even bulky. Of course nothing close to the 70-200 in size, but size of L glass.

I've taken you previous comment about the A7R and come up with a solution.

Wife A7 with kit lens and Leica Adapter
M240 for me...

Seems like it would solve my issue just use hers when I need a Telephoto can put adapter on and still get good images.


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Aug 30, 2014 21:46 |  #17

freitz wrote in post #17126849 (external link)
Seems like it would solve my issue just use hers when I need a Telephoto can put adapter on and still get good images.

Try an adapted tele on the A7 first, as the AF performance may underwhelm you. You may just want to keep the 6D and 70-200 around when you need the reach and AF speed, assuming some of your subjects are moving.


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Aug 30, 2014 21:59 |  #18

freitz wrote in post #17126637 (external link)
You hit the nail on the head. Traveling and esp. in crowds... I think your close to me I'm right in between Baltimore and DC. I go to either a fair bit but usually avoid bringing the camera because of this reason, it stands out, its large, and sitting down grabbing dinner or lunch with my wife wanting to take a quick shot... not easy with a 6d and 24-70 as you would think.

Takes amazing pictures though.

40 f/2.8 stm would solve the big ole zoom lens problem nicely. At 2% of the M240's cost, and that's before you buy a lens for it. Glass aside, the M240's and the 6D's CMOS sensors aren't much different.


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Aug 31, 2014 00:10 |  #19

freitz wrote in post #17126007 (external link)
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I currently shoot a 6D with 24-70 MK II and 70-200 MK II.
I mainly shoot
-Travel
-Landscapes
-Astro (hardly ever really but would like to)
-Family snap shots

My goals
-bring my camera anywhere
-lighten the load so easier to carry
-not be embarrassed to pull out in tight crowds (this happens with travel, hard to pull out that camera with a 70-200 on it and not get stares)
-Enjoy photography (sometimes my 6D feels more like work then play) I enjoy photography but lately have been leaving my camera at home because its a lot to carry ....


Why you purchased two behemoth lenses in first, if non of your listed interests would benefit a lot from them?

Switch to three L primes for more outstanding quality and less lens to lug around.
And for the times you don't want to take photography seriously but still want to show it, just get something fancy with small lens. Like x100s.


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Aug 31, 2014 00:57 |  #20

kf095 wrote in post #17127210 (external link)
Why you purchased two behemoth lenses in first, if non of your listed interests would benefit a lot from them?

Switch to three L primes for more outstanding quality and less lens to lug around.
And for the times you don't want to take photography seriously but still want to show it, just get something fancy with small lens. Like x100s.

not bad of a suggestion. 35/50 + 135/200 can replace the 24-200F2.8 zooms.... for the most part. Of course, if that's still too heavy, then you've got to go smaller.


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Aug 31, 2014 07:43 |  #21

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Aug 31, 2014 07:46 |  #22

I took a Eos M to my Euro trip. It was fun but not exactly what Im looking for. I want to stay Full Frame.


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Aug 31, 2014 07:50 |  #23

Charlie wrote in post #17127228 (external link)
not bad of a suggestion. 35/50 + 135/200 can replace the 24-200F2.8 zooms.... for the most part. Of course, if that's still too heavy, then you've got to go smaller.

Its not just the Bulk of the Gear. Yes that would be a much smaller kit. I would probably go 35/135 as my travel kit maybe through a 24 or 14 in there. But The 6D with either of those lenses is still rather large and grabs more attention then I want to take that shot. The appeal for a smaller full frame was to grab less attention, and to feel more comfortable pulling it out based on the way I shoot. I dont want to have to debate whether I bring it with me or not. It should be without question that the camera comes along. This is why I started leaning towards Leica. Also spending 2 hours in the store didn't Help. I like to tinker which also does not help, and getting back to the root reasons to why I picked up photography in the first place.

I am considering this option
M240 with 35mm or 50
A7 as backup with 24-70 (for the wife *wink)


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Aug 31, 2014 08:43 as a reply to  @ freitz's post |  #24

So, two cameras instead of one. If all you care is FF and "small" size you should proceed further. Smells like G.A.S. to me, I have it with my $100 film cameras :)


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Aug 31, 2014 08:51 |  #25

I care about smaller form factor
Leica Glass and style of shooting
Willingness to pull my camera out anywhere rather then hide the large DSLR away. Draws a lot of attention.
I want to change the way I think about shooting. Back to Basics so to speak (not film basics though). Focus on increasing my knowledge of photography and composing the shot rather then just taking shots.
Wanting to take my camera rather then taking it because I feel like I have to.


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Aug 31, 2014 09:19 |  #26

since you're considering either 35mm/50mm leica, I'm pretty sure sony's prime offerings will outresolve ANYTHING leica has to offer.

http://www.dxomark.com …ny-A7R-versus-competition (external link)

the resolution number suggests that the 35 will be damn close to pegging the leica sensor, and the 55mm outresolves the leica sensor!

if there's anything zeiss does well, is their primes. Sorry to make the decision harder :p

oh right, and they autofocus, electronic aperture, and very small lenses.


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Aug 31, 2014 09:20 |  #27

diagnosis: leica lust ... common syndrome, enjoy the adventure! as a starting point, if you tend toward wider shooting, the M240 and a lux or cron 35 make a wonderful carry everywhere kit. superb imaging, great form factor, very pleasurable in use. you can add a 75 or 50 later if u find u need tighter framing for portraits etc.


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Aug 31, 2014 09:30 |  #28

freitz wrote in post #17126007 (external link)
While at with my wife we stumbled on a Leica Store (actually I knew it was there ha!) but I spent a few hours in the store with one of the salesmen.

I currently shoot a 6D with 24-70 MK II and 70-200 MK II. Not the lightest setup there is and a bit heavy when using all day.

I mainly shoot
-Travel
-Landscapes
-Astro (hardly ever really but would like to)
-Family snap shots

I'm not sure the Leica is the best choice for landscapes and travel...

MCTuomey wrote in post #17127102 (external link)
40 f/2.8 stm would solve the big ole zoom lens problem nicely. At 2% of the M240's cost, and that's before you buy a lens for it. Glass aside, the M240's and the 6D's CMOS sensors aren't much different.

The 6D is a delight to use with the small 40mm pancake, and the weight is in line with a Leica setup.
6D + 40mm = 885 grams
Leica M + 35mm f/2 ASPH = 934 grams

Problem is, the Leica lenses are much better than the pancake, especially in terms of bokeh.
Note, Leica's sharpest 50mm APO is sharper than the famed Zeiss Otus, it is in fact the sharpest 50mm in the world and beats the Sigma 50mm Art as well. And should for it's price...

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17126578 (external link)
You sound like a prime candidate for a Fuji X-T1 or Sony A7 camera. I wouldn't even consider the Leica with all the other better (and cheaper) options out there now. The 6D also isn't that small... I hate carrying mine around in crowds, my X-E1 is much less conspicuous.


I agree, mostly.
Get the Sony a7R. It has the best sensor out there in terms of landscape photography. You can also adapt the 24-70 MK II to the a7R, which works fantastically as this lens currently out resolves all Canon bodies and reaches it's true potential on the a7R. The worlds best zoom lens.
Also, Leica's fantastic lenses deserve something better than Leica's bodies, they out resolve all of Leica's bodies as well, and can make use of the a7R's 36MP sensor.
However be warned that wider lenses have issues on the a7R due to the severe angle of light coming out of the rear of the lenses, the a7R sensor is not optimised for Leica wide angles. If you plan on shooting with rangefinder lenses of 24mm or wider, they'll work best on a Leica M.


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Aug 31, 2014 09:32 |  #29

Charlie wrote in post #17127596 (external link)
the resolution number suggests that the 35 will be damn close to pegging the leica sensor, and the 55mm outresolves the leica sensor!

if there's anything zeiss does well, is their primes. Sorry to make the decision harder :p

oh right, and they autofocus, electronic aperture, and very small lenses.

Very small? Charlie, the zeiss FE 55 f/1.8 is twice the size of a Lux 50 and that's before you put that large zeiss hood on it. The FE 35 f/2.8 is smaller, but slower and not equivalent in performance to the 55. OP has said AF, electronic aperture, etc don't matter. And I suspect his need for a tele zoom is receding ...

OP has spent two hours in a Leica store fondling the M240. Case closed, he's going Wetzlar ;)


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Aug 31, 2014 09:34 |  #30

MCTuomey wrote in post #17127599 (external link)
diagnosis: leica lust ... common syndrome, enjoy the adventure! as a starting point, if you tend toward wider shooting, the M240 and a lux or cron 35 make a wonderful carry everywhere kit. superb imaging, great form factor, very pleasurable in use. you can add a 75 or 50 later if u find u need tighter framing for portraits etc.

well you gotta admit, damn leica glass is beautiful, damn work of art.


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