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Sep 11, 2014 14:39 |  #1

Here's my attempt at action, not the greatest but not half bad either for me. I'm using my 70-300 IS usm for the lens, which is probally saving my butt with the image stabilization it has. Anyway, could use some tips with the camera and such for this type of shooting. Actually the lighting is hard as well because you can't stage this type of shooting, you go with what you can get with where you think will be the best area to shoot, not always the case with the type of movement that takes place in this type of shooting. Either way, this is tough shooting!

Ooooh, here is one of the shots. My grand daughters first soccer ball game for her. A lot of it's kinda slow because there just learning, but as can be seen in this shot it was speeding up a bit.

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Sep 11, 2014 14:47 |  #2

Actually quite a nice shot! I wish I could view the EXIF as I might be able to make better recommendations. One thing, if you haven't already, investigate the AI Servo setting on the camera and give that a try. In the image you've submitted it looks like the kids are moving left to right, but when you get an opportunity when they are moving more toward or away from you AI Servo will help on the focusing.

The other thing I would suggest is don't go in so tight. That leaves you some room to play to improve composition. For example the image you've supplied would look better with some space on the right as opposed to the space on the left (behind the young girl). Generally, motion type subjects should have room in the direction of motion.




  
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Sep 11, 2014 15:12 |  #3

I think this shot is fine photo wise. With some practice and experience you'll find yourself being able to position yourself and anticipate action to get even better shots.
Agreed with John, don't frame so tight (crop in post if you want tighter) and use AI Servo. Keep shooting!


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Sep 11, 2014 15:25 |  #4

Basic but good content on the focus modes of the 60D

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Sep 11, 2014 15:32 |  #5

We really need the exif intact to really help give some setting pointers. Your shutter speed seems appropriate. Your IS isn't helping you though. Your shutter speeds needed to stop action are more than sufficient to stop your hand movement.


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Sep 11, 2014 19:15 |  #6

I'm sorry, I know to give that information. Also, thanks so much for all the input!

Camera was set too Al servo, and evaluative mode. Exposure compensation is plus 2/3's. Aperture value was at 7.1 while the shutter was set at 1,000. I have auto lighting optimizer running in standard also. Running in tv mode, which for me in this type of shooting is easier then manual. All shot in raw files. The lighting changes too much for me in manual, so was thinking tv mode would be the best. I was able to recover highlights in photoshop lightroom, gotta love shooting raw!!

Lastly, I was running in high speed continuous which I also love using in this type of shooting.

I hope this gives a bit more information for you all to go on.

The hard part for me is timing, and I think the high speed continuous helped me there.

I was surprised to see where it was said the IS on my lens wasn't helping me, I thought for sure that was probally the biggest helper of all because the lens with the camera adds to the weight.




  
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Sep 11, 2014 19:25 |  #7

blackgold59 wrote in post #17148961 (external link)
I'm sorry, I know to give that information. Also, thanks so much for all the input!

Camera was set too Al servo, and evaluative mode. Exposure compensation is plus 2/3's. Aperture value was at 7.1 while the shutter was set at 1,000. I have auto lighting optimizer running in standard also. Running in tv mode, which for me in this type of shooting is easier then manual. All shot in raw files. The lighting changes too much for me in manual, so was thinking tv mode would be the best. I was able to recover highlights in photoshop lightroom, gotta love shooting raw!!

Lastly, I was running in high speed continuous which I also love using in this type of shooting.

I hope this gives a bit more information for you all to go on.

The hard part for me is timing, and I think the high speed continuous helped me there.

I was surprised to see where it was said the IS on my lens wasn't helping me, I thought for sure that was probally the biggest helper of all because the lens with the camera for me is quite heavy. The weight of the camera for me is perfect but you add that lens on it and that is where I felt the IS was a helper.

I would say you are doing all the right things, and again I think your sample image shows that! On the IS, for one thing it can get confused if you are moving the camera, and you may wish to introduce some slow panning on shots moving side to side. There is also a school of thought that IS is of minimal benefit at the higher shutter speeds like the 1/1000 you used.




  
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Sep 11, 2014 19:34 |  #8

Ok, thank you very much for all the information..very much appreciated. I didn't know that about IS and the higher shutter speeds, so that something that was interesting.




  
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Sep 12, 2014 03:48 |  #9

blackgold59 wrote in post #17148471 (external link)
Here's my attempt at action, not the greatest but not half bad either for me. I'm using my 70-300 IS usm for the lens, which is probally saving my butt with the image stabilization it has. Anyway, could use some tips with the camera and such for this type of shooting. Actually the lighting is hard as well because you can't stage this type of shooting, you go with what you can get with where you think will be the best area to shoot, not always the case with the type of movement that takes place in this type of shooting. Either way, this is tough shooting!

Ooooh, here is one of the shots. My grand daughters first soccer ball game for her. A lot of it's kinda slow because there just learning, but as can be seen in this shot it was speeding up a bit.

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nice shot - like others have indicated image stabilization won't help with higher shutter speeds in sports shooting. Post a few pics in the sports section and you'll get recommendations like getting lower to the kid's level, using AI servo, positioning yourself near the goals, cropping, etc.


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Sep 12, 2014 06:59 |  #10

blackgold59 wrote in post #17148471 (external link)
Here's my attempt at action, not the greatest but not half bad either for me. I'm using my 70-300 IS usm for the lens, which is probally saving my butt with the image stabilization it has. Anyway, could use some tips with the camera and such for this type of shooting. Actually the lighting is hard as well because you can't stage this type of shooting, you go with what you can get with where you think will be the best area to shoot, not always the case with the type of movement that takes place in this type of shooting. Either way, this is tough shooting!

Actual football images from a Canon 60D and a stabilized 70-300mm lens.

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Camera Maker: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS 60D
Lens: 70-300mm
Image Date: 2011-10-29 10:36:55 (no TZ)
Focal Length: 300.0mm
Aperture: f/5.6
Exposure Time: 0.0003 s (1/4000)
ISO equiv: 800
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: shutter priority (semi-auto)
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB
GPS Coordinate: undefined, undefined

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Camera Maker: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS 60D
Lens: 70-300mm
Image Date: 2011-10-29 10:36:45 (no TZ)
Focal Length: 70.0mm
Aperture: f/4.0
Exposure Time: 0.0003 s (1/4000)
ISO equiv: 400
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: shutter priority (semi-auto)
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB


There are no great secrets. Follow the ball and press the shutter button when the action happens. The most interesting images contain two or three players contesting the ball, and action around the goal is the most compelling.

The more acquainted you are with sports action photography, the easier and simpler the task. Football is actually easier than baseball because of the nature of play.

It helps to locate yourself where the sun is more or less behind you.

For these images I arbitrarily chose a fast shutter speed to ensure action would be stopped.



  
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