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Sep 15, 2014 20:58 |  #31

The Dark Knight wrote in post #17157036 (external link)
There's some solid competition in this segment now. Pay $50 more and get an EVF but lose reach with the RX-100, or go with the G7X. Or pay a bit more, lose pocketability, but still get a very good compact camera with the LX100.

A quick glance of spec they look pretty close. I think the 6.5fps vs 10fps maybe important to some people, also is the bounce-ablility of the flash(the sony one you can manually tilt with you hand and hold it while hitting the shutter).




  
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Sep 15, 2014 21:36 |  #32

The Dark Knight wrote in post #17157036 (external link)
There's some solid competition in this segment now. Pay $50 more and get an EVF but lose reach with the RX-100, or go with the G7X. Or pay a bit more, lose pocketability, but still get a very good compact camera with the LX100.

It's funny because I feel like if Sony had put a fast lens like that with that amount of reach in their RX-100 MK III even without the EVF, people would still have been clamoring about what an amazing product it was. But because it's Canon, it seems to be received with yawns.

I personally think it's a pretty big deal that Canon was able to finally come out with a 1 inch sensor compact that has a fast lens with this amount of reach.

That 30mm is a big enough difference for me to consider the Canon.

As of last night I was set on buying the 70D for the $799 bundle. It's a great deal. But I have been looking at a compact camera with RAW. I was considering Sony but with a camera like that, a EVF is not that big of a deal to me. It's not comfortable to look through a EVF with that compact of a camera. Canon now has an answer to it. Hotshoe is nothing for me since this will be a travel camera and even if I went with the sony, that means I would have to pick up a sony flash.


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Sep 15, 2014 21:41 |  #33

someone0 wrote in post #17157104 (external link)
A quick glance of spec they look pretty close. I think the 6.5fps vs 10fps maybe important to some people, also is the bounce-ablility of the flash(the sony one you can manually tilt with you hand and hold it while hitting the shutter).

From what I have read, the Sony only does 2.9FPS with AF on and Canon does 4.4FPS but for focus lock, the Sony does the 10fps and Canon does 6.5.

Also the G7x has a 9-blade apeture and Sony has 7


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Sep 15, 2014 22:05 |  #34

RHChan84 wrote in post #17157183 (external link)
From what I have read, the Sony only does 2.9FPS with AF on and Canon does 4.4FPS but for focus lock, the Sony does the 10fps and Canon does 6.5.

Also the G7x has a 9-blade apeture and Sony has 7

I just read that about the FPS also, but I didn't know about the aperture blades. Still the question is whether the G7X AF is good enough. Canon have a poor track record of the AF on smaller camera, EOS-M included.




  
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Sep 15, 2014 22:35 |  #35

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I just read that about the FPS also, but I didn't know about the aperture blades. Still the question is whether the G7X AF is good enough. Canon have a poor track record of the AF on smaller camera, EOS-M included.

But that was last generation of sensors. The EOS-M2 fixed that. It's very snappy now and the reviews of the EOS-M2 said if this AF was in the 1st gen, the EOS would of did much better. Still no DSLR but just right behind it. And with the newer generation, this should be quicker.


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Sep 15, 2014 23:55 |  #36

The Dark Knight wrote in post #17157036 (external link)
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It's funny because I feel like if Sony had put a fast lens like that with that amount of reach in their RX-100 MK III even without the EVF, people would still have been clamoring about what an amazing product it was. But because it's Canon, it seems to be received with yawns.

I personally think it's a pretty big deal that Canon was able to finally come out with a 1 inch sensor compact that has a fast lens with this amount of reach.

I agree that the G7X is a big deal, but I think Canon has to earn their reputation back in this segment of the market. Sony has established what they can do with a 1" sensor; Canon has not. Hopefully the 7 changes that quickly. And hopefully we see Canon take that sensor to other cameras as well.


  
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Sep 16, 2014 10:24 as a reply to  @ mpix345's post |  #37

Also note that Canon does not manufacture the 1" sensor. The sensor comes from Sony. So the G7x should be on par IQ wise with the rx100 series. We will see. Not to mention the longer 100mm focal length vs 75mm. And according to DP review the effective aperture throughout the zoom range beats the sony rx100 m3 wide open and even competes with the G1x up to the 35mm mark. Factor in the touch screen for focusing and the $100 savings over the sony I say that Canon has done a great thing here. The only thing missing is the EVF which may or may not be important to buyers.

On another note the panasonic lx100 delivers the total package albiet in a larger package. It will likely cut into Fuji's x100t sales a bit as well as sony and canons 1" sensor offerings. I also believe it will prove to be a truely competent second camera/backup camera to a dslr user without lacking controls,features, and high IQ.

As a buyer in the marketplace right now though the deciding factor will ultimately come down to form factor(size) vs specs(IQ). For me I pre-ordered the Panasonic lx100 but my second choice would be the Canon g7x. Im ready to see some sample shots online and hands-on reviews pop up on youtube that may convince me to change my mind!


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Sep 16, 2014 11:04 |  #38

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Also note that Canon does not manufacture the 1" sensor. The sensor comes from Sony. So the G7x should be on par IQ wise with the rx100 series. We will see. Not to mention the longer 100mm focal length vs 75mm. And according to DP review the effective aperture throughout the zoom range beats the sony rx100 m3 wide open and even competes with the G1x up to the 35mm mark. Factor in the touch screen for focusing and the $100 savings over the sony I say that Canon has done a great thing here. The only thing missing is the EVF which may or may not be important to buyers.

On another note the panasonic lx100 delivers the total package albiet in a larger package. It will likely cut into Fuji's x100t sales a bit as well as sony and canons 1" sensor offerings. I also believe it will prove to be a truely competent second camera/backup camera to a dslr user without lacking controls,features, and high IQ.

As a buyer in the marketplace right now though the deciding factor will ultimately come down to form factor(size) vs specs(IQ). For me I pre-ordered the Panasonic lx100 but my second choice would be the Canon g7x. Im ready to see some sample shots online and hands-on reviews pop up on youtube that may convince me to change my mind!

Has it been confirmed that Canon is using Sony sensors for this camera? I guess it's fairly obvious, but I haven't read anything actually confirming it yet.




  
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Sep 16, 2014 12:59 |  #39

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Has it been confirmed that Canon is using Sony sensors for this camera? I guess it's fairly obvious, but I haven't read anything actually confirming it yet.

I have just been reading all over the web forums that most of the major camera brands now use sony sensors. There are so many people that talk about it I just took it as truth; but now that I think about it Ive never seen 100% confirmation although I'm sure it could be discovered someplace by searching online.

Wanted to add to the Panasonic Lx100 disscussion taking place here too that Leica just branded the same camera as the new Leica D-LUX for $1200 comes with newest version of Adobe Photoshop and a 3yr warranty and of course a different outer shell with the Leica red dot logo. Is it sad that I am somehow considering spending the extra $300 for a red dot?


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Sep 16, 2014 13:06 |  #40

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I have just been reading all over the web forums that most of the major camera brands now use sony sensors. There are so many people that talk about it I just took it as truth; but now that I think about it Ive never seen 100% confirmation although I'm sure it could be discovered someplace by searching online.

Wanted to add to the Panasonic Lx100 disscussion taking place here too that Leica just branded the same camera as the new Leica D-LUX for $1200 comes with newest version of Adobe Photoshop and a 3yr warranty and of course a different outer shell with the Leica red dot logo. Is it sad that I am somehow considering spending the extra $300 for a red dot?

On a % basis, isn't that price difference a bit lower than the usual Panasonic-Leica re-branded devices?




  
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Sep 16, 2014 16:01 |  #41

Seems to be a closer gap


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Sep 16, 2014 19:44 |  #42

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Seems to be a closer gap

not to familiar with the Leica-Panasonic products. Does Leica make ANY improvements to the cameras that are beyond cosmetic?




  
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Sep 16, 2014 19:52 |  #43

How will this compare to the G1X?


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Sep 16, 2014 20:00 |  #44

skywalkerbeth wrote in post #17159630 (external link)
How will this compare to the G1X?

Kind of different segments, not sure if they really compare.




  
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Sep 16, 2014 20:34 |  #45

I have been using the 7D MkI and S95 since each came out. The MkII is great, but the G7X is more likely to be my first purchase, to replace the S95. Awesome specs in a great package, if pricey...


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