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Sep 16, 2014 12:14 |  #556

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i was thinking about that 10 fps...and thinking how great that would be...then i realize that i pretty rarely machine gun my camera...i mean there are instances where you need to...but i think more often than not 10fps would lead to a lot of similar looking shots

reminds me of a time i went to the zoo...the guy next to me was firing off probably 10-15 shots at a time...i kept thinking of the hell that must be when you get home

Burst shooting is good for birds in flight.

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Sep 16, 2014 12:17 |  #557

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I think the 10fps is over kill thats 1/10 sec per frame
I would like greater IQ Id trade that for -5fps

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1. I think most of us are in the dark here on low light iq noise grain ect
2. everyone has speculated on the physical features of the 7d2
3. no one knows iq which I think is most important Ist that why we shoot?
4. commercials say nothing about low light iq

fire away

I think canon would say the 7d2 isn't for you. The 6d is going to fit you better. In a lot of photography, "getting the shot" is way more important than the image quality of the shot. That doesn't seem to be the case for you so you can get a camera with better IQ and less "performance".


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Sep 16, 2014 12:19 |  #558

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I think the 10fps is over kill thats 1/10 sec per frame
I would like greater IQ Id trade that for -5fps

Yeah I hear you. IQ is a big issue when you compare the lead competition out there. But 10fps is very useful in sports. That extra 4fps will give you a far better change to capture the player's expression in the moment of the action. WIth my 6fps camera, I can see I had missed the perfect shot plenty of times by that 1/10th of a second. And 10fps is not good enough for shooting at archers.


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Sep 16, 2014 12:19 |  #559

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I might have considered the 7Dii to replace one or both of my 7D cameras if:

1. It had A/F capability at f/8 to allow me to use my 400mm f/5.6L lens with a 1.4x TC and retain auto focus...

2. It had audio record capability to add verbal information to images...

4. It had radio controlled flash capability to interface with the 600EX-rt "type" flashes. The optical trigger capability leaves me flat and is certainly not ground shaking...

5. If it had ISO 25 capability for long exposure work without needing a ND filter...

6. If it had dual memory card capability...

While I know that video and super magnum ISO sell cameras, I don't shoot video with my DSLR cameras and don't usually go much above ISO 400 in normal shooting so much of the hoopla about the 7Dii doesn't interest me one whit...

The A/F (if it works as touted might peak my interest a bit)...

BTW: I would also wait until these cameras were available on the refurbished market. That is the ONLY way I will purchase a camera and have bought my last four cameras as refurbs. I paid a bit over $850 USD for one of my 7D bodies and a bit over $900 for the other.

1. It does have centre spot f/8

6. It does have dual card if you like SD and CF.

I think it looks like a very good offering. The AF improvement for BIF is probably enough, if it manages a stop or two better noise than the 7D I will be pleased.

I pre-ordered the 7D, I probably let the 7D II run a bit before I order, but only because I have had a 6D, tripod and Tamzuka recently. I don't think even I can sweet talk the better half that much.


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Sep 16, 2014 12:20 |  #560

I used to have impeccable sense of timing when I was a young photographer during film days. That sense of great timing has been slipping up now that I'm looking at turning 60 in a couple of years. This summer I've shot quite a bit of tennis action with my 5D MKIII using continuous 6 fps, but it produced less keepers than my imperfectly timed single shot images. However, 7D MKII's 10 fps will change all that although you'd still need to have some sense of timing as to when to start the burst.



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Sep 16, 2014 12:26 |  #561

snake0ape wrote in post #17158552 (external link)
I hear it all the time when I go with the camera club shooting at architecture. I guess some need to show off their rooster tail.

Or they are doing HDR so they are bracketing their exposures.


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Sep 16, 2014 12:26 |  #562

Speaking of bursts, will this have low and high modes adjustable controls like 1DX? There are times I burst in high (12 fps) such as sliding into base, batting ball golf swing, tennis. And other times I set my low to 6 fps for running, football tackle, leaping catch, surfing...etc.


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Sep 16, 2014 12:26 |  #563

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I agree, but thats a big candidate list. I'm wondering if present 7D owners will upgrade as well.

I know what you mean.

Frankly, even I can't I've been longing for an upgrade, I do have to admit that as a 70D user I'm quite tempted by the 7D2 (partly out of GAS, for sure) myself.

To be sure, if the 7D2's sensor is at least as good as the 70D's, with the much improved AF to boot, it's looking very good to me (esp. as the 7D2 doesn't seem to have that annoying joystick and it uses SD cards), to the point where I somewhat regret having jumped on the 70D like I did. So now, I have to ask myself if I keep the 70D and only upgrade sometime down the road, or do I see what I can have for a very, very lightly used 70D...


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Sep 16, 2014 12:28 |  #564

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Or they are doing HDR so they are bracketing their exposures.

I wish they were doing HDR or exposure bracketing. I can tell by the far to many clicks and their body movement.


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Sep 16, 2014 12:33 |  #565

isnt IQ what camera performance all about?

I do understand there is a lot that goes into that focus, wb, color, ect

I can take shots without having to have a drive by shooting
5-6 fps is ok for me but I dont or havent done bif no birds here and I need more reach but its something Id like to try I think it would help me shoot on Friday nights kinda like target practice
Im sure birds are unpredictable

but if I see the tackle pop up for pass pro or the center block back for the pulling guard I know where the ball is going

Only advantage I have in shooting is 36 years of coaching football

I think my 70d does a good job of focusing

My cameras main problem is ME
and I feel IQ
Im at 1/500 3200 iso 2.8 and they still look crappy I cant go lower than 2.8 and even 1/500 is iffy on motion blur
Id like to be at f4 and at least 1/640 but the IQ sucks in some of the WELL lighted places I shoot
(any help here will be taken seriously)
wish I had the money for a MarkIV or IDX but I still think MOST of my problem is me OR the 70d wont shoot at the above settings with the light environment Im faced with
Im working on flash setup for this week but many venues say no flash

If I can see a great improvement of low light IQ from the 7d2 Id get it on my meager budget and get hammered at home and not in a good way
since canon so far as Ive seen put nothing out on low light IQ I at this time see no reason to think about it
Just get better with what I have
I was hoping for better low light IQ

I have only put the hammer down 3x since I got it
all 3 were long td passes down the side line

IF this is a sports camera IQ in low light would be at the top of my list

BIF is in daylight as far as I know Those of you who shoot bif can correct me

I will never use f8 unless Im shooting models which I have done

Im just wondering why no high ISO info from Canon
seems like they advertized everything else

and if its a sports camera (on the web page ad its one of the 4 tabs) why no low light IQ
just daylight stuff


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Sep 16, 2014 12:37 |  #566

By XMAS, this product will speak for itself. I get the feeling it'll be a great success and the neigh-sayers, quick to scream that it's a lack-luster attempt, will be just that much background noise.

From the looks of it; they didn't just "mildly upgrade AF". They hit it with every sledge hammer in sight; abandoning their usual reluctance to make it surpass their Pro line-up in capability. If ISO improvements are along those same lines, well, I'm starting to look at my lens lineup for what I can sell to raise some funds.


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Sep 16, 2014 12:39 |  #567

Yes, this could be a great seller this Christmas, except I expect most won't wait until Christmas morning to open the presents under the tree. :)


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Sep 16, 2014 12:39 |  #568

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I will never use f8 unless Im shooting models which I have done

The f/8 debate isn't when you or the camera selects aperture f/8. The camera will always do AF with the lens wide open and then stop down the lens before taking the shot.

It's when you add a TC to a tele lens, so the lens becomes as slow as f/8 wide open - most cameras can't focus with so slow lenses. I'm pretty sure you don't shoot models with a tele lens with a 1.4x or 2x TC just to get enough reach - unless your models are on the other side of the lake and you are hiding in the bushes trying to get a sneak photo ;)

Im just wondering why no high ISO info from Canon
seems like they advertized everything else

What high ISO info? They have presented high ISO info. What are you missing?

The hard measurements will not come from Canon but from DxO and similar.


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Sep 16, 2014 12:41 |  #569

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Speaking of bursts, will this have low and high modes adjustable controls like 1DX? There are times I burst in high (12 fps) such as sliding into base, batting ball golf swing, tennis. And other times I set my low to 6 fps for running, football tackle, leaping catch, surfing...etc.

My trigger finger sets the burst rate below max. :)



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Sep 16, 2014 12:43 |  #570

burnet44 wrote in post #17158612 (external link)
...Im just wondering why no high ISO info from Canon
seems like they advertized everything else
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What high ISO info? They have presented high ISO info. What are you missing?

The hard measurements will not come from Canon but from DxO and similar.

I think burnett means high ISO samples, but I agree with you, we need to wait for some real hard data and not some manufacturer fluffed up samples. Like them or not, DxO does deliver on hard numbers.


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