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Mar 21, 2017 09:49 |  #16681

messing around on break... 70-200 2.8 is not easy to use in a small office...

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just testing 65pt af trying to get a lock...

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Mar 21, 2017 10:13 |  #16682

I'm glad you are trying out 65 point. It has it's uses but like any tool not for all situations. It is just a computer trying to figure out what you want. Based on what I have been reading in 10 years we may be plugging into our cameras and telling them what to do.

When people ask what focusing mode to use I think the most common reply is 4 or 8 point expansion. No one ever talks about small zone so I decided to give it a good run and had good results.

If I need precise then single or 4/8 point expansion. In 4 or 8 I'm still working with my centre point trying to keep it on the spot I want. With small zone it is just an area.

By the way I'm not sure if you know this. You can assign and initial AF point in 65 point zone. You put it on what you want to focus on. When focus is achieved it drops out as the initial AF point and becomes part of the 65 point array. During that time there is no visible initial AF point. When you stop focusing it reappears and the cycle repeats. You can move that initial point to anyplace you want to. There maybe something on the left you want to start focusing on.

Purple AF menus, tab 4, second from the bottom.


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Mar 21, 2017 15:28 |  #16683

This was my first attempt using 65 zone back in June last year.

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Mar 21, 2017 15:29 |  #16684

Could not photograph in the harsh light of the rookery today. (c) Macaw under the tree canopy at Alligator Farm.

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Mar 21, 2017 16:34 |  #16685

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Mar 21, 2017 16:38 |  #16686

TeleFragger wrote in post #18306730 (external link)
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but in reality watching those videos of sports and wildlife shooters that use the 7dm2... they actually go into the menu and get rid of those so you cant use them. They say due to it grabbing what is the closest they never use it so why have it in the list as when you switch around you could switch among 3 vs 7 or whatever it truly is... hah...

I actually just have everything enabled. I usually bounce between the 8 assist points and the large zone AF. But the 65 pt AF is available in case I need it. It is trivial to joystick past if I don't use it.


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Mar 21, 2017 16:43 |  #16687

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TS is easy to test because you set up consistent conditions. So is AF switching. Select 65 point zone in any case #. Pick a garden gnome or any still object that is closer to the camera than other objects. Set AFSW to 0. Focus in on the object and move the camera to the left and right. Now do that with it set to 2. Try to move at the same speed for both settings. Try a little faster with both. You should easily see what the points are doing.

I have found no way to test Accel/decel but the new IDX II AF guide clearly explains what we suspected. Movement to and away from us. Fast stops and starts, acceleration and deceleration. It makes the camera more prepared and sensitive to those movements.

I think it should apply when the action is in a 45 degree angle. If you are tracking using single point or expansion it may be tough to really tell unless you shot one event with a low setting and one with a high setting and then compare keeper rates.

Case 6 combines cases 4 and 5 so you will see the AF points in action tracking left right, up or down if you are in zone AF but the forward/back motion might be hard to see if tracking is better. I have not had a chance for that type of shooting but I'd like to do it as case #4, although I understand what it does is the least used one by me so far.

That is why I shoot faster more erratic birds in Case 6 and 65 point zone. The camera helps me track better although sometimes they are just to fast for me to keep up and keep some the 65 AF points it.

Thanks - not too sure what TS or AFSW mean, but I get the idea. Testing out my settings now.


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Mar 21, 2017 16:47 |  #16688

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Did you finally turn on a starting af point for 65 pt zone?

TeleFragger wrote in post #18305570 (external link)
No where do you do that? Id love to b avle to tell 65pt to start center then track... so i can move camera around

I'm playing with these settings too, and finding out that it is complicated. How can you tell that you have successfully set up an initial AF point for tracking, when shooting in 65 point mode?


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Mar 21, 2017 16:48 |  #16689

digital paradise wrote in post #18306855 (external link)
I'm glad you are trying out 65 point. It has it's uses but like any tool not for all situations. It is just a computer trying to figure out what you want. Based on what I have been reading in 10 years we may be plugging into our cameras and telling them what to do.

When people ask what focusing mode to use I think the most common reply is 4 or 8 point expansion. No one ever talks about small zone so I decided to give it a good run and had good results.

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By the way I'm not sure if you know this. You can assign and initial AF point in 65 point zone. You put it on what you want to focus on. When focus is achieved it drops out as the initial AF point and becomes part of the 65 point array. During that time there is no visible initial AF point. When you stop focusing it reappears and the cycle repeats. You can move that initial point to anyplace you want to. There maybe something on the left you want to start focusing on.

Purple AF menus, tab 4, second from the bottom.


So wow ive been all over my camera the last 2d. I overlooked that. It was set to auto. If this works how im hoping i could put it say on right 3rd 2nd dot from top/middle and have player run left...

Will get to test this. Im sitting in school parking lot (44yr old now going to college) and im trying to focus on stuff. In 65pt im getting the Expand AF area now in 65pt but it isnt moving around. Wonder what else i boogered up hah... however if i reset ill have to remember the settings i had...


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Mar 21, 2017 16:50 |  #16690

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I'm playing with these settings too, and finding out that it is complicated. How can you tell that you have successfully set up an initial AF point for tracking?

Yeah i set it and now get the 4pt + but when i lock it stats and doesnt follow... hah


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Mar 21, 2017 17:25 |  #16691

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Mar 21, 2017 17:28 |  #16692

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Thanks - not too sure what TS or AFSW mean, but I get the idea. Testing out my settings now.

Tracking Sensitivity and AF pt Auto Switching.


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Mar 21, 2017 17:36 |  #16693

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No where do you do that? Id love to b avle to tell 65pt to start center then track... so i can move camera around

The setting is called-
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Mar 21, 2017 17:43 |  #16694

Archibald wrote in post #18307228 (external link)
I'm playing with these settings too, and finding out that it is complicated. How can you tell that you have successfully set up an initial AF point for tracking, when shooting in 65 point mode?

You will see a single black af pt outline in the vf. It will be the starting af pt. You can move it around. Place it in target and hit af to start tracking with initial point which will then switch to tracking with the 65 pts. I believe this is the 2nd option under the setting.




  
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Mar 21, 2017 17:54 |  #16695

Archibald wrote in post #18307228 (external link)
I'm playing with these settings too, and finding out that it is complicated. How can you tell that you have successfully set up an initial AF point for tracking, when shooting in 65 point mode?

Page 127 in the e manual. Purple AF menus, Tab 4. second from the bottom. Next one below is iTR.


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