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britain wrote in post #18710172
I'm stumped. The Coppers eyes are yellow this ones red and made sounds like a red shoulder. How can you tell? After a bit more research eye color changes when they get older from yellow to a dark brown. So I have a younger and a mature Copper.

I'm thinking Sharp-shinned...


https://www.allaboutbi​rds.org/guide/Sharp-shinned_Hawk

Pondrader wrote in post #18710183
I'm thinking Sharp-shinned...

https://www.allaboutbi​rds.org/guide/Sharp-shinned_Hawk

Well, that's a dead ringer there! More info for research. Thanks!

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britain wrote in post #18710172
I'm stumped. The Coppers eyes are yellow this ones red and made sounds like a red shoulder. How can you tell? After a bit more research eye color changes when they get older from yellow to a dark brown. So I have a younger and a mature Copper.

Eye color is not really reliable because it changes from juvenile to adult.Cooper's hawks eyes change from yellow to red, and red-shouldered hawks eyes change from yellow to a brown color.

Cooper's hawks have a dark colored cap on their heads while red-shouldered hawks do not. There are many distinguishing color features that you can see if you google both hawks and look at their pictures. I will say that red-shouldered hawks appear much redder in color than do Cooper's hawks, but that just one of the things that I notice.

Pondrader wrote in post #18710183
I'm thinking Sharp-shinned...

https://www.allaboutbi​rds.org/guide/Sharp-shinned_Hawk

It certainly could be a sharp-shinned hawk, Jeff. Their coloration is the same as a Cooper's hawk; they are just a smaller bird. It's hard to tell from a photo how large the bird is. During my younger years I was a practicing falconer (actually an austringer since I flew hawks and not falcons). I've kept both Cooper's hawks and sharp-shinned hawks, and there is a noticeable difference in their size. Not only that, but the females are substantially larger than the males. All these factors make it difficult to tell for sure whether it is a sharp-shinned or a Cooper's hawk.

Lame-Duck wrote in post #18710160
Britain...very nice bathing series, but in this case I believe it is a Cooper's hawk, and not a red-shouldered hawk.

Yep, I agree. Red-shouldered Hawk is a buteo, so belongs to the same family as the Red-tailed Hawk. It would have the same general "feel" about it and would show more white markings in the wings than we see here. (British birders use the term "jizz" to describe this general impression, but I wouldn't recommend Googling that.) This bird gives the somewhat more slender impression of an accipiter, which on your side of the pond means Sharp-shinned or Cooper's Hawk. These can be a real pain to distinguish, although in flight I've found the longer tail of Cooper's a good pointer. No use in these photos though. This is an adult male and the eye is deep red in both species. The eye is quite forward and close to the bill. In Sharp-shinned Hawk the eye is a bit further back and there's more of an angle between the forehead and the bill, so I'm inclined to call this bird a Cooper's - but I'm far from 100% sure, especially since the thin white tips to the tail feathers in the last photo would favour Sharp-shinned. It's definitely one or the other though!

Edit: Actually, the more I look at this, the more I'm thinking Sharp-shinned.

Jack Dawe wrote in post #18710240
Yep, I agree. Red-shouldered Hawk is a buteo, so belongs to the same family as the Red-tailed Hawk. It would have the same general "feel" about it and would show more white markings in the wings than we see here. (British birders use the term "jizz" to describe this general impression, but I wouldn't recommend Googling that.) This bird gives the somewhat more slender impression of an accipiter, which on your side of the pond means Sharp-shinned or Cooper's Hawk. These can be a real pain to distinguish, although in flight I've found the longer tail of Cooper's a good pointer. No use in these photos though. This is an adult male and the eye is deep red in both species. The eye is quite forward and close to the bill. In Sharp-shinned Hawk the eye is a bit further back and there's more of an angle between the forehead and the bill, so I'm inclined to call this bird a Cooper's - but I'm far from 100% sure. It's one of the two though!

Jack you are definitely better informed than I am. I bow to your knowledge on the subject. I don't see sharp-shinned hawks nearly as often as Cooper's hawks, so my first thought is Cooper's. I'm sure I misidentify the two frequently.

Lame-Duck wrote in post #18710249
Jack you are definitely better informed than I am. I bow to your knowledge on the subject. I don't see sharp-shinned hawks nearly as often as Cooper's hawks, so my first thought is Cooper's. I'm sure I misidentify the two frequently.

Mike, I'm entirely the wrong side of the pond to pontificate about these two species and I'm sure you know more than I do! We have just two accipiters in the UK, the Sparrowhawk and the Goshawk. Our Goshawk is the same species as yours and our Sparrowhawk is virtually identical in size and shape to your Sharp-shinned. That's my yardstick. Cooper's lies in between the two, with a longer tail. I'm now pretty sure that Britain's photos are of a Sharp-shinned.

Well, The hawk is about 18 inches from feet to head. Never noticed but they also have a protective eye covering.

Get off of me

Jack Dawe wrote in post #18710260
Mike, I'm entirely the wrong side of the pond to pontificate about these two species and I'm sure you know more than I do! We have just two accipiters in the UK, the Sparrowhawk and the Goshawk. Our Goshawk is the same species as yours and our Sparrowhawk is virtually identical in size and shape to your Sharp-shinned. That's my yardstick. Copper's lies in between the two, with a longer tail. I'm now pretty sure that Britain's photos are of a Sharp-shinned.

If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on you, Jack.

britain wrote in post #18710274
Well, The hawk is about 18 inches from feet to head. Never noticed but they also have a protective eye covering.

It's called the nictitating membrane. It helps keep the eye moist and protects it from dust and other nasties.

Pondrader wrote in post #18709263
Well yes.. There is no one answer that covers everyone. I have spent so much time this last year on this question. I have high hopes they will still build our 7DIII with all the bells and whistles... But I have a gut feeling that said other wise. So ... what is the answer. its different for everyone. I love a crop.. would like to have a full frame sensor but im sure I would miss the reach.

I'm not sure of the colour problems you have seen but I have seen zero colour issues with the sonys. Theres a few cameras I dont get exactly what Im liking but thats what LR and PS are for. From what I'm reading and seeing the adapters are about seamless and not to be confused with the days of old. Truth is they all have something we don't like... even the ones we do like.

I've tried to keep an open mind as i figure out where i should go between now and the next big wildlife camera from Canon. used a lot of camera's...

I've gone the last year with a camera I could not adjust correctly.. that was just nuts. Not ever doing that again. I'm going to put a limit on how long I keep my cameras from now on.

I need a big bucket that money falls into regularly the has written on it.. Camera Fund..KEEP OUT.... keep it somewhere the grand kids cant find it.

well to be fair Im talking skin tones, seen the colour compared to canon and was like yuk. for landscape and other Id probably not notice. also not keen on the ergonomics, If i had to choose another brand Id go Fuji but unsure what they have available that would be suitable for birding, then of course there is Nikon. I hope they bring out a new model in the 7D series, Id probably go to the next model if it was worth it. So far though my 7DII has been a gem, rained on, covered in salty water, never misses a beat. Has been a total workhorse

Pondrader wrote in post #18710192
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That is a shame Jeff, you and it have taken some wonderful shots. Mine has been repaired, was just a dodgy battery contact. All I need now is my plaster cast taking off my wrist

Lame-Duck wrote in post #18710319
If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on you, Jack.

Jack Dawe wrote in post #18710359
It's called the nictitating membrane. It helps keep the eye moist and protects it from dust and other nasties.

I always go with jack's diagnosis.... The man just knows his stuff lol