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Jun 28, 2019 01:00 |  #21571

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Thanks Lame-Duck, was afraid I overdo the contrast....  :p

Ah-Keong. I think the contrast is just fine. The contrast and color are what makes these images really pop.


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Jun 28, 2019 02:25 |  #21572

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Can you folks give me examples of how you use the exposure compensation when shooting nature or wildlife?

And how is it different that adjusting ISO? I've never had a good handle on EC...

I most often use auto ISO in M mode but too often over exposes my subject.

Or should I use center-weighted average metering?

For almost everything I use Av with weighted average metering and exposure compensation when needed, exceptions are:

Birds: manual with spot metering
Macro flash: manual, and either TTL with flash exposure compensation or manual flash depending on the subject/situation.
Low light urban: Tv with weighted average.


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Jun 28, 2019 02:29 |  #21573

Immaculens wrote in post #18882543 (external link)
I though EC does not work when using auto ISO...


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It does indeed. I shoot in manual with auto ISO quite often. I have customized to adjust EC with the set button and front dial.

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It does indeed. I shoot in manual with auto ISO quite often. I have customized to adjust EC with the set button and front dial.

I tried auto ISO for a while with birds but found it as big a PITA as any other auto mode with birds and went back to manual.

Thing about birds is they move about and the background brightness changes although the illumination does not so manual is easier.

If the light is changing a lot of the subject very bright or dark you learn to instinctively tune the exposure.


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Jun 28, 2019 10:33 |  #21574

Lester Wareham wrote in post #18884953 (external link)
I tried auto ISO for a while with birds but found it as big a PITA as any other auto mode with birds and went back to manual.

Thing about birds is they move about and the background brightness changes although the illumination does not so manual is easier.

If the light is changing a lot of the subject very bright or dark you learn to instinctively tune the exposure.

Hey Lester. Yes. In this scenario the case for full manual is very strong as exposing only for the subject is the best and least fiddly approach. In cases where illumination is more dynamic and exposure changes are required I think full manual or Auto ISO/EC is a matter of preference. I was experiencing this yesterday with shore birds and loons moving from sunlight to shadow fairly quickly. I had to adjust exposure for the subject. If one can read the scene and know where the meter needs to be the difference between adjusting EC in auto ISO or making a fully manual adjustment is similar enough unless one prefers to have precise control over every aspect of the exposure triangle. Personally in those situations I still want the same SS and aperture and don't really mind where my ISO goes so I use EC in Auto ISO. One advantage of Auto ISO/EC with birds I find is in those situations is when you have a subject in constant illumination such as a waterfowl on the water that suddenly rears up and puts on an aggression display toward another bird or similar type of high speed action. You can throttle up your shutter speed without changing your exposure or being concerned for the other variables in the exposure triangle - something you don't have the luxury of in full manual. I was photographing a cedar waxwing eating apple blossoms recently and 3 of his friends decided to join him. I needed more DOF so I closed down aperture and Auto ISO took care of the rest. Again, no worry for my exposure. Likewise there are many situations where exposure changes are far less dramatic than they may be with a BIF but changes to SS, aperture or both are required fairly quickly and can be done without worry for your exposure which can still be tweaked with ease if necessary and this without concern for their relation to one another or ISO. I would argue that birding and wildlife photography is much, much more than following constantly lit subjects across variable backgrounds and in many situations the semi-automatic nature of auto ISO and EC are faster and more appropriate than full manual. This simplicity is the very reason why semi-automatic modes are so widely used and why the user community made such a fuss about Auto ISO/EC being included as a feature of the more recent bodies. Having a mode that acts as a combined Tv and Av with the ability to compensate exposure is quite a powerful tool.


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Jun 28, 2019 15:48 |  #21575

Very much on the same page here. Where I am now in my outdoor photography is trying to take note of the conditions my subject is over exposed (or under) using auto iso in M. Then practice practice practice using EC.

Thanks to those chiming in. EC seems to be an under-utilized powerful tool to avoid emergency measures in post processing. Shooting Raw helps.

Feel free to add to the conversation.

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Hey Lester. Yes. In this scenario the case for full manual is very strong as exposing only for the subject is the best and least fiddly approach. In cases where illumination is more dynamic and exposure changes are required I think full manual or Auto ISO/EC is a matter of preference. I was experiencing this yesterday with shore birds and loons moving from sunlight to shadow fairly quickly. I had to adjust exposure for the subject. If one can read the scene and know where the meter needs to be the difference between adjusting EC in auto ISO or making a fully manual adjustment is similar enough unless one prefers to have precise control over every aspect of the exposure triangle. Personally in those situations I still want the same SS and aperture and don't really mind where my ISO goes so I use EC in Auto ISO. One advantage of Auto ISO/EC with birds I find is in those situations is when you have a subject in constant illumination such as a waterfowl on the water that suddenly rears up and puts on an aggression display toward another bird or similar type of high speed action. You can throttle up your shutter speed without changing your exposure or being concerned for the other variables in the exposure triangle - something you don't have the luxury of in full manual. I was photographing a cedar waxwing eating apple blossoms recently and 3 of his friends decided to join him. I needed more DOF so I closed down aperture and Auto ISO took care of the rest. Again, no worry for my exposure. Likewise there are many situations where exposure changes are far less dramatic than they may be with a BIF but changes to SS, aperture or both are required fairly quickly and can be done without worry for your exposure which can still be tweaked with ease if necessary and this without concern for their relation to one another or ISO. I would argue that birding and wildlife photography is much, much more than following constantly lit subjects across variable backgrounds and in many situations the semi-automatic nature of auto ISO and EC are faster and more appropriate than full manual. This simplicity is the very reason why semi-automatic modes are so widely used and why the user community made such a fuss about Auto ISO/EC being included as a feature of the more recent bodies. Having a mode that acts as a combined Tv and Av with the ability to compensate exposure is quite a powerful tool.


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Jun 28, 2019 16:28 |  #21576

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Jun 28, 2019 17:54 |  #21577

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Jun 29, 2019 06:32 |  #21578

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Jun 29, 2019 09:34 |  #21579

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Jun 29, 2019 09:35 |  #21580

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Jun 29, 2019 14:58 |  #21581

Very nice capture. I really like this one, David.


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Jun 30, 2019 22:53 |  #21583

A couple from today using the EF 100 f/2.8L Macro IS USM. Next to my EF-S 60 f/2.8 Macro USM, these are the sharpest lenses I have ever used!


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