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Nov 04, 2014 08:17 |  #916

Fabijan wrote in post #17251334 (external link)
When will we see some usual photos, not just birds?

Street photos, weddings, landscapes, portraits, cars...?

Even 7DII is perfect for action, sports, long range, it doesn't mean that we cannon use it for usual shooting?

Oh come on. I am going birding this morning :D


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Nov 04, 2014 08:20 |  #917

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Was this really Amazon, or a 3rd party seller?

Yes, Amazon.' Their 3rd party sellers continue to have the body-only in stock.

I've gotten wishy-washy "sorries" from their camera concierge team when reminding them of the tens of thousands I've spent with them. No commitment to get the camera actually out the door, not even an offer to extend my Prime for a few months like folks got when UPS delayed their orders.


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Nov 04, 2014 08:22 |  #918

Keyan wrote in post #17249196 (external link)
The other thing I do is set the lock switch to lock the multi-controller (joystick) to prevent accidental AF point changes. I don't have issues with the quick control dial getting moved and a 1/3 stop change in aperture isn't going to usually be a big deal, but AF points getting bumped can be :)

Going to try the lock switch, already moved the AF point by accident.


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Nov 04, 2014 08:25 |  #919

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I am somewhat less than satisfied with the sharpness I am getting. It looks ok, not great, but ok at screen viewing size, but its horrible at 100%.

I will need to sit down with a gauge and see if I am focusing front or back from where it should be. In case I need to do MFA.

I have my AF set for center point focus, with the one ring of AF's immediately surrounding the center point as active. I will also try changing that to center only, and see if that makes a difference.

Yeah, I need to do more testing as well. Was getting some very soft images, but not in Live View. So might just need micro adjustment. But like you, I gotta get it figured out within the next week, so I could return it if need be.

I tested the Tamron 150-600 on multiple static subjects, like a leaf outdoors or some stuff indoors. It was just soft...
So I really do hope it's micro adjustment and not a faulty camera or just how the sensor is.


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Nov 04, 2014 08:46 |  #920

stsva wrote in post #17251316 (external link)
Roger Cicala at lensrentals.com tears apart a 7DII to examine the weather sealing; conclusion - "the Canon 7D Mk II may be the best weather-sealed camera I’ve run across." While inside the camera, he also goes through a lot of other internal details that are different from the 7D.
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I am reading this article now and the weather sealing is just another plus in my book. However, I wonder why they didn't make a one piece seal, instead of the overlapping piece, just above the eyepiece. Could that possibly be an entry point for moisture?


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Nov 04, 2014 08:50 |  #921

digital paradise wrote in post #17251339 (external link)
Why don't you just use DPP, do your initial editing, save as TIFF and open in LR for any additional editing and export until Adobe updates. You still get to use RAW this way.

I hear ya, But I never used DPP so when I find my self thinking I should learn, I look behind me and some bird or critter walks by and I realize I could be out using this fantastic camera instead. like right now a flock of Gold Finch just pushed the two Hairy's out of the feeder and into the Maple tree and I'm playing with this computer. Shoot first ask questions later lol


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Nov 04, 2014 08:52 |  #922

sharad.medhavi wrote in post #17249205 (external link)
Beautiful capture!


Great shot!
What is the effective extra reach that you get from 7D2 for small birds faraway, compared to the same shot using 5D3? I am assuming that 5D3 would allow a bit more cropping without compromising picture quality.

A 1.6x crop of a 22MP FF sensor is 22mp/(1.6*1.6) = 8.6MP, so the 5D3 has about 8.6MP where the 7D2 has 20MP. So, the 5D3 gives a lot less detail if you can't get closer or use a longer lens on the 5D3.

Cropping always reduces final image quality. Image quality is not an independent 3rd-dimension quality, the product of the quantity of pixels used and their quality is what determines potential final image quality.

Lots of people fool themselves into believing that pixel quality is image quality, but they are two quite independent things.




  
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Nov 04, 2014 08:53 |  #923

Yeah. This one, I think the shutter speed is probably fast enough... focus is on, but looks like its front focused ALOT or something? I was tracking them for a bit before this. Could be that the shutter was too slow... or focus case was too slow to update?

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Nov 04, 2014 09:02 |  #924

It's possible the focus racked during a burst for some reason. But that is a big change to make. My focus point on the previous shots were in the same spot though.


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Nov 04, 2014 09:05 |  #925

That looks to be waaay in front, maybe, it's hard to tell without something sharp in the pic but the waves at the very front look like they might be in focus.

EDIT:

Actually using the white dots of whatever that is on the water..they look sharper in front of the ducks about half way between the ducks and the bottom of the frame.


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Nov 04, 2014 09:08 |  #926

Mine arrived this morning from Wex with the 17-55. Tied up for the rest of today so looking forward to giving it a run tomorrow. First impressions are very positive though.


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Nov 04, 2014 09:13 |  #927

Keyan wrote in post #17251435 (external link)
That looks to be waaay in front, maybe, it's hard to tell without something sharp in the pic but the waves at the very front look like they might be in focus.

EDIT:

Actually using the white dots of whatever that is on the water..they look sharper in front of the ducks about half way between the ducks and the bottom of the frame.

Looks about the same to me too. So maybe 6" or so front-focusing? Looks like time for some controlled testing with that lens, Kickflipkid687.


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Nov 04, 2014 09:16 |  #928

sharad.medhavi wrote in post #17249285 (external link)
Your logic is right in terms of math, and that is what motivated me to be on this thread. In the past we have seen that enough pixel density on the subject is required, but is not enough by itself. To be able to crop better, we also need picture quality. To me, a closer cropped 5d3 picture looked almost as good as a lesser cropped 7d picture. I have high hopes from the 7d mark 2, but only photographers who have both the bodies can confirm if it adds enough value in terms of reach over the 5d3, to qualify for an investment in an additional camera body just for the reach.

There is no one universal answer on this. A 5D3 does have less noise on subject in focal-length-limited situations than the original 7D at high ISOs (but not at base ISO), even less noise compared to a 20D or 50D, and far less than a 10D or a D60 or D30. The 7D2 has a full stop less pre-gain (high ISO) read noise than the 7D, however, so they (5D3 and 7D2) should be a lot closer, for the same sensor area. IMO, even a little bit more noise per unit of sensor area can be superior to a much lower pixel density, because you are left with more detail even after a bit of noise reduction.

There are always going to be people and "experts" who will always assume that the larger sensor and/or larger pixels collect more signal, even for focal-length-limited situations, and they fortress their illusions by creating an arbitrary rule that you should never examine an image at greater than 100% pixel magnification on their monitors, so their big-pixel captures never get magnified to the same level that the small-pixels captures get magnified to. If you suggest that you can downsample the smaller-pixel version to normalize displayed subject size, they will say something like, "see - the pixels are so bad you have to downsample". It is difficult reasoning with an irrational mind.




  
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Nov 04, 2014 09:19 |  #929

Rather than "irrational", I think of it as "confirmation bias". Just about everybody has that flaw.


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Nov 04, 2014 09:22 |  #930

[QUOTE=Kickflipkid687;​17251418]Yeah. This one, I think the shutter speed is probably fast enough... focus is on, but looks like its front focused ALOT or something? I was tracking them for a bit before this. Could be that the shutter was too slow... or focus case was too slow to update

What focus point/group were you using? If it was expanded around the central point then it may have focused on the nearest object. Just watched a video about it. The link is in another thread on here.
I don't think it's the camera or lens per second but a an af setting.

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