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Nov 09, 2014 13:59 |  #1396

Archibald wrote in post #17261102 (external link)
Did you exchange it for another 7D2? Or are you giving up on the new model?

Returning a new 7D2 is pretty unusual given all the positive remarks and buying frenzy here at POTN - funny that there has been no comment on it.

Or am I misunderstanding "returning"?

Returned as in refund. It is an excellent camera save the one issue I was running into. When others said they experienced it too, that sealed the decision for me. One shouldn't base their actions in crowds :).


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Nov 09, 2014 13:59 |  #1397

Tested my Canon 70-200 as well. Same thing. Mark II was front/back focusing randomly by quite a bit. But almost all shots taken on my 60D were sharp/looked good....


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Nov 09, 2014 14:00 |  #1398

Snydremark wrote in post #17261307 (external link)
I was responding to jingler's post rather than jase; it just had a tone of having pushed a few buttons and decided it wasn't working right.

@Klystron: Totally agreed with your comment on moving from 40/50D to 7D. Also, even though the menus are the same, the underlying algorithms for the AF modes in the 1Dx/7DII are different than the ones in the 5DIII, according to the Canon rep giving an intro seminar to the 7DII yesterday.

Time will tell how well it works. And I cant afford or justify a 1DX.


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Nov 09, 2014 14:02 |  #1399

Snydremark wrote in post #17261175 (external link)
The imaging, itself, isn't much of an upgrade but the 'bells and whistles' sure make taking the images easier. Bailing on something like this after a week is sort of like not learning to ride a bike because you fell off. The AF system in this thing is the same system they put in the 1Dx, which is not a simple system. I highly doubt that a week is enough time to shoot and find which of the AF modes works best for the things each of us shoot.

After spending several hours with mine yesterday and did have a number of failures as far as results, but I also know what went wrong in each case after analyzing the images. It's definitely going to take some time to get used to this thing and get it set up so that the operation is second nature again.

Working on exposure, in general, will do much more for noise control than any sensor is going to at this point. This sensor brings the crop generation within a stop or so of the full frame sensors, which ought to be more than enough for all but the most critical photo applications.

I bailed because of a technical issue, not because I didn't know how to use it properly :). Not significantly different than the 1dx. Even so, I don't find learning how to use modern cameras all THAT difficult, but I work in a technical field so perhaps that is why. Ah now see you weren't replying to me :)


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Nov 09, 2014 14:12 |  #1400

The article makes sense.

But the fact that it back/front focuses randomly, and not consistently, worries me. I can take 5 shots in a row, and maybe 1-2 are good and the others are off or way off. Since this happens on 2 lenses, it's possible the camera is way off in calibration, which also isn't good then. I could exchange it potentially and try another one I guess.


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Nov 09, 2014 14:17 |  #1401

Kickflipkid687 wrote in post #17261361 (external link)
The article makes sense.

But the fact that it back/front focuses randomly, and not consistently, worries me. I can take 5 shots in a row, and maybe 1-2 are good and the others are off or way off. Since this happens on 2 lenses, it's possible the camera is way off in calibration, which also isn't good then. I could exchange it potentially and try another one I guess.

If I remember correctly, you picked it up at Kenmore. If so, just take it in and tell them you're having those difficulties; they ought to just swap it out for you.


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Nov 09, 2014 14:59 |  #1402

Kickflipkid687 wrote in post #17261361 (external link)
The article makes sense.

But the fact that it back/front focuses randomly, and not consistently, worries me. I can take 5 shots in a row, and maybe 1-2 are good and the others are off or way off. Since this happens on 2 lenses, it's possible the camera is way off in calibration, which also isn't good then. I could exchange it potentially and try another one I guess.

I never had that problem. The AF was pretty accurate and consistent after I microadjusted the lens.


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Nov 09, 2014 14:59 |  #1403

Picking my 7D2 up in the morning. Is anyone else having issues with 70-200 2.8 IS Mk1?

I have this lens and according to the manual it should be fine both with and without 1.4TC.


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Nov 09, 2014 15:00 |  #1404

Snydremark wrote in post #17261369 (external link)
If I remember correctly, you picked it up at Kenmore. If so, just take it in and tell them you're having those difficulties; they ought to just swap it out for you.

Yeah, I might go swap it out right now.

I just checked 43 images taken with my 60D on both lenses, and only 1 image was fairly soft/off. Every other one looks sharp or very sharp.

Going to run the test one more time. But here you can see how random it is.

Edit: Showing how far off it can be.

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Nov 09, 2014 15:06 |  #1406

Those look good. Focus looks good.


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Nov 09, 2014 15:29 |  #1407

Kickflipkid687 wrote in post #17261457 (external link)
Yeah, I might go swap it out right now.

I just checked 43 images taken with my 60D on both lenses, and only 1 image was fairly soft/off. Every other one looks sharp or very sharp.

Going to run the test one more time. But here you can see how random it is.

Edit: Showing how far off it can be.

What AF mode are you shooting in and what do you have your Release Priority settings set to?


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Nov 09, 2014 15:57 |  #1408

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OK, thanks for that suggestion. I am really going to work on this, to learn how to BBF ... and, just as importantly, how to go back to normal shooting. The camera is so complicated, I'm reluctant to get into unfamiliar settings. But BBF seems worthwhile to learn.

Archibald, here's that thread on back button Af. Just remember the settings are different, but the concept is the same. Try it you may find that it's way easier than trying to continue to move a focus point. I know I did. You can focus on an object, then just recompose and shoot, just remember to let go of the back button that's driving the focus. Happy reading.

Oh forgot. If you will be constantly switching between different settings, I suggest you include them in your "Favorites" and enable "Favorites to automatically populate when you hit the menu button. This will give you fast access. If The II is like the 5D3, you just need to set "custom functions" to your favorites and you can quickly go in and make a change from say back button af back to the shutter.

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Nov 09, 2014 16:02 |  #1409

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Archibald, here's that thread on back button Af. Just remember the settings are different, but the concept is the same. Try it you may find that it's way easier than trying to continue to move a focus point. I know I did. You can focus on an object, then just recompose and shoot, just remember to let go of the back button that's driving the focus. Happy reading.

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=46965

Thanks, I will do that!


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Nov 09, 2014 16:19 as a reply to  @ Archibald's post |  #1410

The first time I took my 7DII out I was not completely happy with the AF, so I turned off iTR face detection and set my Al Servo 1st & 2nd image priority all the way to Focus and used the Back-Button focus (AF-ON). I took it back out the next day and AF was dead-on all day.


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