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Nov 04, 2016 23:14 |  #14461

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Thanks. I still think I'm a beginner at processing, but I guess I'm maybe intermediate. As Bianchi said, the credit for the sharpness goes to the 500 F4 II, but the credit or the croppability can be shared with the 7D II with those packed pixels on the sensor.

I do 90 pct in Lightroom, and 10 pct in Photoshop. In this case, I start in Lightroom, and did the basic crop, lowered the highlights, and raised the shadows, and raised the overall exposure. I used the Vibrance to raise the colours (50 this time, which is way more than my usual) and I never use the Saturation slider...Vibrance does better and more subtle job in my experience. Added a bit of Clarity. I used the heal spot tool to replace a bit of branch in the lower right hand side with feathers. I also lightened up the birds eye a wee bit, with noise reduction to keep it looking smooth (I do this with most of my bird pics). Then, off to Photoshop to remove that pesky branch sticking up from his left. I use the stamp tool to separate the branch from the body with appropriate background, and either content-aware fill or patch tool to replace the branch with natural looking background. Then, I used the magic wand to select everything but the bird, and ran noise reduction on the background. Then back to Lightroom to finish it: I replaced the darker parts of background with lighter sections using the spot healing tool (Photoshop is probably better at this, but I only decided later to do it) and brushed on the whole background with a combination of low clarity, high noise reduction, and low sharpness...to smooth out any artifacts. I finished with sharpening of about 60 (my usual is 40-50 but this is a big crop and needs a bit more), and a very small amount of vignette (I do it til noticeable, then back down...I prefer to not appear as if I did it).

This was more than my usual. I like to take clean shots to start with and well lit, avoiding most of this. My usual touching up is less than 5 minutes. This took about 15.

I learned much of this from an ebook from a bird photographer from Canada called Glenn Bartley. Very good book for bird photo processing...and he's a professional and uses mainly the 7D II. You can find him on YouTube and on his personal website. Highly recommended books and tutorials...great video blogs on YouTube too.

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If you get your hands on a 5DS R and use it with a 500II, you will be amazed at the crop ability.. while maintaining detail... We are talking 50 MP... It will even get better once the next generation 5DS R comes out with the new sensor of the 5DIV & 1DX II ... I am very familiar with Glens wildlife tours.... He always puts up very nice wildlife images..


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Nov 04, 2016 23:18 |  #14462

Bianchi wrote in post #18176223 (external link)
If you get your hands on a 5DS R and use it with a 500II, you will be amazed at the crop ability.. while maintaining detail... We are talking 50 MP... It will even get better once the next generation 5DS R comes out with the new sensor of the 5DIV & 1DX II ... I am very familiar with Glens wildlife tours.... He always puts up very nice wildlife images..

5dsr should crop just as well, if not better than 7D2. Only problem is burst rate and buffer.


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Nov 04, 2016 23:22 |  #14463

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I thought it was a given that cropping was pretty much something done for most birders, I crop most images except when I've got really close, lightroom 99%, use very little noise reduction. I personally think in many cases its all about light, I cant afford a canon 500 so have to make do with the Tamron and Im still amazed at the quality I get for the price and have sold a number of my bird photos taken with it, I think the Tamron is heavy and cant imagine carting a 500 around, but then I shoot nearly all my wildlife free hand


Surprising the 500 II is about the same weight as Tammy & Sig 150-600.. Hand holdable......The 500 V1 now that one is heavy.


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Nov 04, 2016 23:32 |  #14464

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Curt Richmond in his S2B Pitts doing the Texas smoke dance

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Great prop blur

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OK Back to the Birds,..... lol
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5dsr should crop just as well, if not better than 7D2. Only problem is burst rate and buffer.

Oh the 5DS R does crop very well while maintaining great detail, from my personal experience better than the 7DII, and yes the FPS and buffer is a little lacking compared to the 7DII, but still gets the job done.
Many wildlife togs are using the 5DS R with the SIG & TAMMY 150-600 , 100-400II and 500II with great results.


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Nov 05, 2016 00:26 |  #14465

My son and I were almost done birding at Broughton Beach along the Columbia River in Portland this morning when he excitedly pointed his binoculars at a little white guy hopping around on the sand by the water, screaming "snow bunting, snow bunting!" What's not to like about 12 year old birders? :)

Anyway, here are some shots of the bird, a lifer for both of us. It is a relatively rare visitor to our area, and apparently, this is the first sighting of a snow bunting in our county since 2014.

Hope you like the shots - 7D2 + 500/4 II.

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Nov 05, 2016 01:20 as a reply to  @ Scrumhalf's post |  #14466

That's a new one for me ... beautiful bird and well captured.


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Nov 05, 2016 01:36 |  #14467

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That's a new one for me ... beautiful bird and well captured.

Thanks, L-L! It is a bird that nests in the high arctic and is a winter visitor to the Northern US, primarily the northern Great Plains, the upper Midwest and the NE. We don't usually see it in the PNW, although there are few rare sightings every year.


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Nov 05, 2016 01:39 |  #14468

Bianchi wrote in post #18176223 (external link)
If you get your hands on a 5DS R and use it with a 500II, you will be amazed at the crop ability.. while maintaining detail... We are talking 50 MP... It will even get better once the next generation 5DS R comes out with the new sensor of the 5DIV & 1DX II ... I am very familiar with Glens wildlife tours.... He always puts up very nice wildlife images..

I'm torn between just getting the 5DsR, or hanging on for the Mark II. Yeah, I know, we have no idea when such a beast would even be available. Hopefully, there will be some sales during the holidays that will knock a couple more hundreds off the price.


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Nov 05, 2016 01:43 |  #14469

aladyforty wrote in post #18175612 (external link)
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I thought it was a given that cropping was pretty much something done for most birders, I crop most images except when I've got really close, lightroom 99%, use very little noise reduction. I personally think in many cases its all about light, I cant afford a canon 500 so have to make do with the Tamron and Im still amazed at the quality I get for the price and have sold a number of my bird photos taken with it, I think the Tamron is heavy and cant imagine carting a 500 around, but then I shoot nearly all my wildlife free hand

A 500/4 II is a glorious beast. It is light enough to where I can do extended hikes (3-4 hours) with it on a sling and handhold it throughout. I'm glad I got it, instead of the 600 (not the mention the extra 2-3 grand in price). I am not a big guy, but the 500 II is easily handholdable for me. I think it hits the sweet spot between weight and focal length.


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Nov 05, 2016 03:55 |  #14470

Greater Yellowlegs:
Correction: It's a Spotted Sandpiper, not a greater yellowlegs.

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Nov 05, 2016 04:13 |  #14471

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then I need help with camera settings
sooc wow
mine suck

any help appreciated

Burnett44, can you show a typilcal example and describe what's not working?




  
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Nov 05, 2016 04:28 |  #14472

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Wow, thanks for the detailed explanation. It is a lesson in processing this kind of shot. Many of us bird photographers have reach issues and need to do serious cropping, and your explanation (and lots of practice) will help us get better results.

So the formula for success would appear to be the 7D2 croppability, the 500mm II, and the PP.

There are a couple of other ingredients - attaining critical focus, and absence of motion. Were you using a tripod?

Edit: Sorry, I see it was hand-held.

Those extra ingredients take practice and didn't arrive on day one. When I first got both the 7D II and the 500 F4, I was a bit disappointed. I thought I would just aim at a bird and they would be tack sharp. The reality is, these cameras with small pixels need great technique to get tack sharp images. I use a sturdy tripod or beanbag regularly. When handholding, I rest the lens where possible...knee, rock, branch, etc. Also, I mash my eyebrow against the eyecup...hard...to stabilize the camera when shooting. It gets that last bit of sharpness. When you add a teleconverter, it gets more important. A 1.4x not only magnifies the image by 40 pct, but also your errors. Tecnique gets really critical then (but they do work and are better than cropping on good lenses).

Also, I use centre point spot focus, and aim right at the birds head, or even eye if possible.




  
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Nov 05, 2016 04:37 |  #14473

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If you get your hands on a 5DS R and use it with a 500II, you will be amazed at the crop ability.. while maintaining detail... We are talking 50 MP... It will even get better once the next generation 5DS R comes out with the new sensor of the 5DIV & 1DX II ... I am very familiar with Glens wildlife tours.... He always puts up very nice wildlife images..

I did do some thinking about adding a full frame, and decided to go with the 5D IV instead. Primarily, I picked it over the 5DSR because I want the full frame for bad weather/cloudy days, where I need higher ISO. Also, it's focus system and frame rate are a bit better, which I wanted. So far I'm very happy with it, and it's pretty "croppable" also. Like you said, the next gen 5DSR will be a killer wildlife camera, especially if they can get the frame rate up to 7 or 8 fps.




  
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Nov 05, 2016 04:40 |  #14474

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Greater Yellowlegs:

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Sharp-shinned Hawk:

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I don't know where you live, but that yellowlegs might be a solitary or spotted sandpiper.




  
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Nov 05, 2016 08:04 |  #14475

Bianchi wrote in post #18176226 (external link)
Surprising the 500 II is about the same weight as Tammy & Sig 150-600.. Hand holdable......The 500 V1 now that one is heavy.

The 500 II is a little over seven pounds, the Sigma and Tamron 150-600 are a little over four pounds, not even close to the same weight.


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