7DII great for the future - an opinion

OK, so I'm going to be a bit cynical here and say that I think that Canon loaded up the 7DII with features to compensate for the sensor. Yes, I know it is a 'new' sensor, but I would be very surprised if it is more than 1/2 stop better (raw obviously) than the 7D - which would still be nice.

So, even though I probably won't get one, I'm excited. Why? Well because in the past Canon has had a set of features that it kept to 1D series cameras. This looks like they have broken that mold (except AF point metering). Full auto ISO capabilities and f8 on a crop along with everything else.

I also really,really like the fact that they have a serious crop camera (unlike another manufacturer I could mention). I honestly think that as long as Canon keeps making crop cameras I will own one for a variety of reasons (not just 'reach' but also lens related). It also goes to show that when Canon said the crop was not going anywhere, they stuck to that. I have the same feelings about the EF-s 24 pancake.

And before anyone says it is 'obvious' they would do this, there were some people wondering if a 7DII would even come out after the 70D and they were not being laughed at. It was a possibility that the 70D would be the top of the crop line when we have 'cheap' FF cameras.

Is this the first time a crop camera has come out more expensive than a FF camera from the same manufacturer? Interesting if it is.

I think the "crop" sensor is here to stay as a standard format. Many people like the format plus it allows manufactures to create camera bodies at a lower price point. What the manufactures save in creating a smaller sensor allows them to add more features to the functionality. For many (if not most) this small trade off is well worth the money. You can get a camera that has superior AF, high speed shooting and all of the "bells and whistles" for a fraction of the cost of the "full frame" counter part.

ejenner wrote in post #17157359
OK, so I'm going to be a bit cynical here and say that I think that Canon loaded up the 7DII with features to compensate for the sensor.

Why would they need to do that? It is a crop sensor camera. Even with improvements it is still a crop sensor and will perform as such. I don't believe anyone sensible was expecting it to out perform a full frame sensor in high iso/IQ.

I agree that crop isn't going anywhere. Canon sell far more crop sensor cameras than FF. The reality is that most people don't need FF at all.

Dan Marchant wrote in post #17157722
Why would they need to do that? It is a crop sensor camera. Even with improvements it is still a crop sensor and will perform as such. I don't believe anyone sensible was expecting it to out perform a full frame sensor in high iso/IQ.

I agree, but it seems to me that they are still under performing the competition. Maybe I'm incorrect - I haven't actually used the latest Sony crop or the 70D.

Dan Marchant wrote in post #17157722
It is a crop sensor camera. Even with improvements it is still a crop sensor and will perform as such. I don't believe anyone sensible was expecting it to out perform a full frame sensor in high iso/IQ.

I agree that crop isn't going anywhere. Canon sell far more crop sensor cameras than FF. The reality is that most people don't need FF at all.

that's the reality
but I would like a $500 full frame

watt100 wrote in post #17159348
that's the reality
but I would like a $500 full frame

5Dc.

ejenner wrote in post #17159367
5Dc.

yeah, but what about the warranty

watt100 wrote in post #17160394
yeah, but what about the warranty

OK, then stores should sell the 5DC for what, $25? That would be good!!

Dan Marchant wrote in post #17157722
... The reality is that most people don't need FF at all.

And DSLR.

tonylong wrote in post #17160486
OK, then stores should sell the 5DC for what, $25? That would be good!!

Tony, I miss you here!

5Dc eventually will come to this price, but at the same time with 7D MKII

kf095 wrote in post #17161318
Tony, I miss you here!

Well, thanks for the thought, I've been having interesting life "issues" and haven't been very active, but I try!

ejenner wrote in post #17157359
... in the past Canon has had a set of features that it kept to 1D series cameras. This looks like they have broken that mold ....

They really broke that mold with the 7D, and shattered it with the 5D3.
I am glad to see that this direction has been successful and that Canon is continuing in that direction with the 7D2. It really packs a lot of 1D into a 1.6x cropper!!!