Will Mirrorless "kill" DSLR?

Charlie wrote in post #17174183
buyers care about a no nonsense solution to their photography woes. You do know that EVF's are terrible in low light right? You're only as strong as your weakest link.

you're seriously underestimating the OVF and lens selection offered by canikon. Sure, if they a cheaper alternative mirrorless arrives, the situation may very well be different, but I'm not talking about lens rumors, just stating the obvious. Lens development takes the longest amount of time, and it may take years for mirrorless to catch every angle.

I'll reverse it: "you're seriously underestimating the EVF".

And the full lens selection offered by Canon and Nikon can be used with a mirrorless. It's just that you don't get the size advantage unless you use a customized lens.

The full selection of EF lenses can be used with APS-C bodies - you don't need to limit yourself to EF-S lenses. The only difference here is that with the mirrorless body you need an adapter (that doesn't need to cost much because it doesn't need to be any different from a current distance ring, with electrodes straight through so the body can talk with the attached lens) if you want to use EF or EF-S lenses. Haven't you seen people fit big whites to their EOS-M bodies?

An introduction of mirrorless bodies by Canon/Nikon would be quite similar to their introduction of APS-C bodies. Did people stay away from them? Some few did, but the majority of buyers ended up getting into APS-C.

pwm2 wrote in post #17174180
You seem to base your view on a tiny P&S with bad high-ISO performance feeding that EVF.

Debate the replacement of APS-C or full-frame DSLR with mirrorless and you suddenly have quite good low-light abilities from the sensor that will feed the EVF. I'd say it's in low-light situations you do want an EVF. Your eyes can't adapt well to low light. Your color vision takes a big hit. And the eyes needs lots of time to adapt after having been hit by a strong light source. And they will get worse with age. And EVF can adapt instantly, and make night into day for an older shooter. So an EVF can even allow people to do perfect MF in light situations where it's possible to manually focus with an OVF.

uh, I have an A7r, EOS-M, they get bad with low light. Reaction is terrible (though the screen may seem all is well), it's a clear step behind, and if you're timing a funny reaction, you'll probably miss it.

Tom, with the lenses you need to shoot wildlife it wouldnt matter if the camera was the size of a pack of playing cards...your still going to be carrying around some serious weight and size.

gjl711 wrote in post #17174121
You make the assumption that EVFs will not improve. They might not fill your need today but who knows what they will be capable of in a year or three. OVFinders are pretty much at their technological peak. There is little room for improvement. EVFinders are just starting on their development curve.

OVF peaked long ago when the old Olympus film cameras had some wonderful big bright viewfinders. They have been going down hill since.

Charlie wrote in post #17174151
it's called the EOS-M, and it failed

Canon failed...not mirrorless.

Charlie wrote in post #17174187
beats me, they seem marketed towards advance amateurs that do lots of lens changes. Rebel kit users are probably the largest segment of the DSLR market, and it's a great value that gets the job done.

I'de say 2 years ago, there was a wave of mirrorless cameras at the school events..... they kinda disappeared.

The rebels market is being eaten alive by the phones. It's smart to market to the higher level enthusiast crowd.

Charlie wrote in post #17174193
uh, I have an A7r, EOS-M, they get bad with low light. Reaction is terrible (though the screen may seem all is well), it's a clear step behind, and if you're timing a funny reaction, you'll probably miss it.

Step up the readout from the image sensor to 120 fps and the lag will suddenly drop a lot. Lots of sensors can do 120 fps video so it's not that far away to get that refresh rate in an EVF. My old video recorder can work well in low light - but then it was marketed for 1 lux recordings.

Most of the issues you complain about aren't limitations of EVF but limitations of specific implementations of EVF. Neither Canon nor Sony has actually spent any real time trying to give you good night-time EVF performance because they haven't seen a need to do it. The main advantages with an A7R isn't for people who need high ISO for night time photography - it only gives great DR when used with low ISO. And the EOS-M is basically an experiment just to get some customer feedback.

Charlie wrote in post #17174193
uh, I have an A7r, EOS-M, they get bad with low light. Reaction is terrible (though the screen may seem all is well), it's a clear step behind, and if you're timing a funny reaction, you'll probably miss it.

You picked the wrong mirrorless camera

http://petapixel.com …zing-low-light-autofocus/

I rented the EM5 and the EVF was easily better than an OVF because I could literally see in the dark. With an OVF I had to guess where I was aiming. The AF assist light still fires to help the camera lock on focus, but I could actually SEE what I was doing in very low light.
(living room at night with only the light from the laptop screen, trying to take a photo of my cat on the arm of the couch). With OVF I couldn't see what I was aiming at or how the shot was framed.

And EVF are only going to get better.

Mirrorless and DSLRs will exist side-by-side since both have their place in the photography world. The battle between both will be as obnoxious as Nikon vs Canon

DarthVader wrote in post #17174224
You picked the wrong mirrorless camera

http://petapixel.com …zing-low-light-autofocus/

Flawless victory

I'm surprised how little the Samsung Nx1 came up in this thread. Perhaps because it is so new and no one actually owns it yet??

The latest rumor is that the T6i will be mirrorless.

Is this actually a real thread? Get a grip. (Not a camera one).

Hahaha, many people uses Canon EOS-M as a benchmark for mirrorless, just like people think Oakland Raiders is the most complete football team in the NFL, and Toyota Corolla is the fastest sedan ever made. Keep it up! Canon needs a few good men like you.