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Sep 25, 2014 06:49 |  #1

U.S. Forest Service wants to charge $1,500 to take photos on federal wild lands


http://www.washingtonp​ost.com …os-on-federal-wild-lands/ (external link)




  
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Sep 25, 2014 06:52 |  #2

Unbelievable ..... WOW




  
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Sep 25, 2014 07:09 |  #3

The Forest Service is accepting comments (until Nov. 3) to help shape new regulations. Don't just sit back and complain, participate.

https://www.federalreg​ister.gov …ource=federalre​gister.gov (external link)




  
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Sep 25, 2014 07:33 |  #4

Hell hath no fury like the uninformed.

Forest Service Wildernesses are not National Parks.
It specifically excludes "noncommercial still photography".

A very quick read, and not reading the specifics of the existing rule, make me think this is an expansion of potential uses of wilderness areas to include filming activities.

This proposed section would include criteria in addition to that of still photography to incorporate commercial filming activities.

A special use permit may be issued...

Has a primary objective of dissemination of information about the use and enjoyment of wilderness or its ecological, geological, or other features of scientific, educational, scenic, or historical value

Is wilderness-dependent, for example, a location within a wilderness area is identified for the proposed activity and there are no suitable locations outside of a wilderness area

Would not advertise any product or service

So, if you want to film a documentary in a wilderness, this might apply to you.




  
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Sep 25, 2014 07:46 |  #5

This is a joke, right? Please say it's a joke.


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Sep 25, 2014 07:57 |  #6

Thinking about this more, how would they possible police this. Would they confiscate everyone's cell phone, P/S, compact and SLR at the gate? Search the cars? It's realy silly.


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Sep 25, 2014 08:23 |  #7

tandemhearts wrote in post #17176657 (external link)
Hell hath no fury like the uninformed.

Forest Service Wildernesses are not National Parks.
It specifically excludes "noncommercial still photography".

A very quick read, and not reading the specifics of the existing rule, make me think this is an expansion of potential uses of wilderness areas to include filming activities.

So, if you want to film a documentary in a wilderness, this might apply to you.


Howdy All,

Tandemhearts is on track. I think the original link is meant to stir-up the uninformed. Here are a few notes I posted in another thread. Sorry for the loss of column formatting :cry:.


I was curious about the article, so I looked-up the fee schedule that is being talked about. Looks to me that it is for commercial filming/photography.

Proposed Fee Schedule for Commercial Filming and Still Photography Permits
https://www.federalreg​ister.gov …still-photography-permits (external link)

Proposed Fee Schedules

Commercial filming land-use fee schedule

Number of people Fee

1-3, camera and tripod only $10/day or $250/month
1-5, more than a camera and tripod $75/day
6-10 $150/day
11-30 $350/day
31-50 $650/day
51-70 $1,000/day
over 70 $1,500/day


Commercial Still photography land-use fee schedule

Number of people Fee

1-3, camera and tripod only $10/day or $250/month
1-5, more than a camera and tripod $50/day
6-10 $100/day
11-20 $200/day
21-30 $300/day
over 30 $450/day




  
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Sep 25, 2014 11:06 |  #8

Also 'commercial' use has a much narrower definition than imagined.

Shooting a landscape, building or other scene and selling the photo is not 'commercial use'. Using ehthe image to advertise something else - such as shooting a landscape and using it for a tourism ad - is commercial use.




  
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Sep 25, 2014 11:13 |  #9

watt100 wrote in post #17176608 (external link)
U.S. Forest Service wants to charge $1,500 to take photos on federal wild lands


http://www.washingtonp​ost.com …os-on-federal-wild-lands/ (external link)

If you bring a crew of 70+ it is $1500!

That seems more than reasonable. For the impact involved, I would add another zero if I was in charge.


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Sep 25, 2014 11:21 |  #10

Shadowblade wrote in post #17177010 (external link)
Also 'commercial' use has a much narrower definition than imagined.

Shooting a landscape, building or other scene and selling the photo is not 'commercial use'. Using the image to advertise something else - such as shooting a landscape and using it for a tourism ad - is commercial use.

Direct policy from National Parks (formatting didn't paste well, sorry):

FILMING PERMITS – All commercial filming requires a permit. Commercial filming is defined as
digital or film recording of a visual image or sound recording by a person, business or other entity for a
market audience, such as for a documentary, television or feature film, advertisement, or similar project.
It does not include news coverage or visitor use.

Still photography activities require a permit only when:

  •  The activity takes place at location(s) where and when members of the public are generally not
    allowed; or
  •  The activity uses model(s), set(s), or prop(s) that are not a part of the location’s natural or cultural
  • resources or administrative facilities; or
  •  The park would incur additional administrative costs to monitor the activity;
  •  The park needs to provide management and oversight to:
  • o Avoid impairment of incompatible use of the resources and values of the park, or
  • o Limit resource damage, or
  • o Minimize health or safety risks to the visiting public
.

Filming activities should not conflict unduly with the visitors' experiences in the park.

Permits issued for
commercial photography (advertising) specifically prohibit implied or stated endorsement by the National
Park Service. Identifiable NPS equipment, uniforms, signs, buildings or insignia may not be portrayed in
commercial advertising in any way that would imply NPS endorsement of the product.

News coverage does not require a permit, for either filming or still photography, but is subject to time,
place, and manner restrictions, if warranted, to maintain order and ensure the safety of the public and the
media, and protect natural and culture resources.

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Sep 25, 2014 11:22 |  #11

too funny how this is flying around the net, and has people cry about something that doesn't apply to them.

Similar rules are in effect in many places, you want to set up a real shoot with crew, models, props, you need a permit. Baker Beach in SF or our little city park, similar rules. It does not apply to you and me hiking around and taking photos of nature etc.


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Sep 25, 2014 15:02 |  #12

Once more - National Forest Wildernesses are not National Parks.




  
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Sep 25, 2014 16:28 |  #13

tandemhearts wrote in post #17177463 (external link)
Once more - National Forest Wildernesses are not National Parks.

Same policies apply in general, however.


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Dave Weldon wrote in post #17176731 (external link)
Howdy All,

Tandemhearts is on track. I think the original link is meant to stir-up the uninformed. Here are a few notes I posted in another thread. Sorry for the loss of column formatting :cry:.


I was curious about the article, so I looked-up the fee schedule that is being talked about. Looks to me that it is for commercial filming/photography.

Proposed Fee Schedule for Commercial Filming and Still Photography Permits
https://www.federalreg​ister.gov …still-photography-permits (external link)

Proposed Fee Schedules

Commercial Still photography land-use fee schedule

Number of people Fee

1-3, camera and tripod only $10/day or $250/month
1-5, more than a camera and tripod $50/day
6-10 $100/day
11-20 $200/day
21-30 $300/day
over 30 $450/day


Tripod and camera... what about lighting?


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Sep 25, 2014 17:54 |  #15

Alveric wrote in post #17177647 (external link)
Tripod and camera... what about lighting?

That would be the next line down "more than camera and tripod", it seems pretty straightforward to understand.




  
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