First catwalkshoot with 70-200 2.8LII more difficult than I thought :)

CanonYouCan wrote in post #17182234
4 I like flash to have clean bright faces & catchlights, I had some pics without flash and underexposed faces, when cranking up the brightness this results in more noise, I try to prevent this in faces.

Spot meter for their faces and shoot manual. Over exposing their cloths a little is better then underexposing as long as you're not blowing anything out (bring the highlights down causes less noise then bringing the shadows up)

Like gonzogolf said, if the light isn't changing then the settings don't have to either. So unless the stage was set up in and out of shade your lighting should have stayed fairly consistent. Even if you're in aperture priorty you should be adjusting your exposure compensation to match the scene (the meter try's to make everything grey so 0 isn't alwasy right). So with even, consistent lighing being in manual can actually mean you're changing setting less then while in aperture priority.

CanonYouCan wrote in post #17182399
Yes manual is always best but then you have to change so much settings, don't forget in a catwalk models walk mixed in a line next to each other and a few moments later in a group after each other.
For example first kids with the family walking behind them.

I never said that you have to shoot manual, but I was pointing out that when you shoot an auto metered mode, you still have to meter the scene and understand what the light levels will be over the entire range.

It isn't a Ronco product. You cannot just 'set it and forget it.'

Catwalks are really challenging, you tried one yet yourself? If not you must try it

Is a catwalk a runway? Is this a fashion show?

In my vocabulary a catwalk is a suspended walkway that allows workmen to access high places to perform maintenance. But maybe the word has different meanings in different regions.

CanonYouCan wrote in post #17182234
1 I turned IS of as the models where reasonable fast walking, I thought IS wouldn't be that fast to stabilise with the 6D.
It was my first catwalk shoot, next time i'll keep IS on.

i don't see why you think the speed of the models has any relation to IS...

JeffreyG wrote in post #17182545
Is a catwalk a runway? Is this a fashion show?

In my vocabulary a catwalk is a suspended walkway that allows workmen to access high places to perform maintenance. But maybe the word has different meanings in different regions.

Catwalk > pictures betters than any explanation
>>> https://www.google.com …iw=1920&bih=877​&gws_rd=cr

gremlin75 wrote in post #17182166
2. Keep an eye on your your shutter speed and don't be afraid of bumping your ISO. Noise is a lot easier to fix then blur.

This was my first thought. A 6D will handle 400 ISO even 800 ISO like a walk in a park. I've shot interior catwalk gigs using my 50D and 20D at 800 ISO without any problems. Exceptionally clean images.

A 6D should cream this.

A bit of noise is heaps easier to clean up than motion blur.

Pic - 20D at 800 ISO/135L at f/2.8

MalVeauX wrote in post #17182186
Heya,

Everything here was technique and experience. Not equipment. Not trying to be cheeky or rude. But nailing sharp images of walking adults with F2.8 telephoto zooms and a 6D is extremely easy.

Very best,

Plus one.
As a relative novice, I am a little confused, you have some great glass IMO 85L 1.2, 135L and the 70-200L II.
Never tried the 6D personally, but I assume from all I Have read using the center AF point should deliver stunning results.
Sorry you really cant blame the 70-200L f2.8 II especially as you had great light!
IMO you couldn't have had a better set of lenses.

As for turning off IS, NEVER is the word that springs to mind. I shoot dressage, so if I can get razor sharp images of a horse cantering , surely thats faster than a model walking?

The only dilemna I would have ( and thats only due to lack of knowledge, and the time to check things out; is WHICH ONE? IS 1 or IS 2 ( for panning shots ) - if say the Models were walking past you left to right or right to left.
All I can say is IS1 seems to work all the time for me. Anything from 1/200 to 1/500 SS would have worked with IS on.

Not being nasty but you need to read a lot about how your gear works. Well I did.
Regarding Flash - If you had a 5D3 I would say look at page 189 of the manual Flash Photography, HSS any shutter speed. Check out the equivalent in your manual sure there will be one.
ETtl if you are not comfortable with manual settings, OK one or 2 images may be a bit inconsistent with ETtl but overall its a bit of a breeze.

JeffreyG wrote in post #17182545
Is a catwalk a runway? Is this a fashion show?

In my vocabulary a catwalk is a suspended walkway that allows workmen to access high places to perform maintenance. But maybe the word has different meanings in different regions.

I've always known it as a catwalk also. Where I'm from there are catwalk models who specialise in this kind of modeling as opposed to photographic modeling.

MalVeauX wrote in post #17182186
Heya,

Everything here was technique and experience. Not equipment. Not trying to be cheeky or rude. But nailing sharp images of walking adults with F2.8 telephoto zooms and a 6D is extremely easy.

Very best,

GeoKras1989 wrote in post #17182213
I agree with Malveaux. In addition, I would have started at ISO 1600, direct flash, HSS engaged, 1/250, f/4, BBAF, AI-Servo, +1/3 FEC, Manual mode. I believe ISO 100 was the biggest boo-boo.

I agree with both statements here..

I have shot in more difficult situations with "Less" gear (5D2 and my Sigma 70-200 F2.8 Non OS) with great Results..

JeffreyG wrote in post #17182545
I never said that you have to shoot manual, but I was pointing out that when you shoot an auto metered mode, you still have to meter the scene and understand what the light levels will be over the entire range.

It isn't a Ronco product. You cannot just 'set it and forget it.'

Is a catwalk a runway? Is this a fashion show?

In my vocabulary a catwalk is a suspended walkway that allows workmen to access high places to perform maintenance. But maybe the word has different meanings in different regions.

Its not regional. Its just that you've defined it narrowly. If you had stopped at suspended walkway you'd be fine. The models walk above the crowd on a raised walkway. I'm surprised that you have never heard the term applied that way before.

CanonYouCan wrote in post #17182105
Yesterday I did an outdoor 2hrs catwalkshoot with my 70-200 2.8L II. (...) It was a bright sunny day so I worked on ISO 100, sunhood, 580 EXII and f2.8-f4.5 aperture priority.
When I got home I saw I had some shutterspeeds which where too low (1/180,...) at 200mm so a lot of unsharp pics. (...) ...

Aperture priority mode plus flash will often give you a slow shutter speed. If you're using flash, try dialling in your settings manually to make sure your shutter speed stays where you want it.

Regarding the term "catwalk": it's European English for the American "runway". For your average Brit (I'm one), if someone said they'd been to a "runway show", you'd expect them to have been at an airport ...!

Submariner wrote in post #17183360
As for turning off IS, NEVER is the word that springs to mind. I shoot dressage, so if I can get razor sharp images of a horse cantering , surely thats faster than a model walking?

Be careful, there are indeed times to shut off the IS. For example once your shutter speed exceeds your focal length (or twice your focal length if you want to be conservative), you no longer need IS, and in fact IS can cause grief. If you are trying to stop motion, chances are your fast shutter speeds are more than adequate to eliminate the need for IS, and if you just want to aim and shoot, sometimes waiting for the IS to spool up isn't an option, and that "spooling up" can hurt your images, blurring them, etc. I never have IS on at ball games, for example.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17183578
Be careful, there are indeed times to shut off the IS. For example once your shutter speed exceeds your focal length (or twice your focal length if you want to be conservative), you no longer need IS, and in fact IS can cause grief. If you are trying to stop motion, chances are your fast shutter speeds are more than adequate to eliminate the need for IS, and if you just want to aim and shoot, sometimes waiting for the IS to spool up isn't an option, and that "spooling up" can hurt your images, blurring them, etc. I never have IS on at ball games, for example.

Wow thanks thats really interesting.
Not sure what you mean by spooling up - some time lag. If that is it I have Never noticed it being slow myself.

So Are you saying if I am using the lens in a studio, say SS 1/160 @ F8 with strobes, with a flash duration of 1/1100 ( 2 of them ) and 1/2900 (2 of the others ) that I would get sharper images with IS off?
I read somwhere that there is no need tomeven turn IS off on a tripod like one does with older lenses as they have something in the newer ones that detects its on a tripod so no need.also my tripod is sort of budget £220 Giottos job, so not totally rock solid well not like a £500 Manfrotto or whatever.

You are a goldmine of info, where did you find that or was it just by experimentation.?
Great to know though.
Peter

IS isn't instant, there is a slight lag as it starts to operate. If you shoot during that period, you will have some IQ issues in those shots.

Some IS systems have 2 settings, one for panning, and one for handheld. If you are in a studio setting with strobes/flash/tripod, and you have a remote control to fire the shot, there would be no reason for IS, why have the wear and tear and battery hit, and why risk some shots with the IS kicking on and off? Especially if your shutter speed is faster than the reciprocal of your focal length...

There may be some lenses that "detect" you are stationary, but they would be a small number, the 70-200II presumably being one of those.

Some other light reading:
http://photo.net …gital-camera-forum/00Xalh
http://www.canonrumors​.com/forum/index.php?t​opic=9638.0
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=951900

Yep Canon UK checked and confirmed especislly if well over the FL! Then if one turms off IS one can get sharper pics! 😳

CanonYouCan wrote in post #17182105
I worked on ISO 100, sunhood, 580 EXII and f2.8-f4.5 aperture priority.
When I got home I saw I had some shutterspeeds which where too low (1/180,...) at 200mm so a lot of unsharp pics.

I think your issue that day was using a flash.........The max sync speed of the 6D with a flash is 1/180sec..............​.Don't use the flash, bump up your ISO, and you'll have a higher shutter speed for sharper images.