Mini-Review: Initial 7D vs 7D2 Raw Comparison from Imaging Resource

My final action will lie between the other attempt and this one, as I believe I have established the 2 ranges of filters by color channel at this point.

This is attempt 2 to the other extreme of what I usually set as the final action.

Same 7D2 12800 sample, after my NR on top (obviously)...

I actually think it is about as much as expected and based on my experience with the 5DII vs. 5DIII I actually think a good 1/2 stop does make some difference.

Since I shoot at whole stop increments it would actually equate for me as an extra stop because like the 5DII my personal 'generally acceptable' IQ for the 7D is in between stops.

Still, for me the 7D does what I need it to. An AF more like the 5DIII (or better) would be nice, but not (for me) $1200 nicer.

Actually though that price difference is really not that big in the grand scheme of things. The 7DII still looks to me like a really good camera for $1800.

Very nice NR. ISO 12800 is very usable. These are 100% crop, yes? This camera is good for street Halloween shooting, if its out by then.

It won't be available until Thanksgiving, from what I hear, and yes those are 100%.

Archibald wrote in post #17186779
Very useful (I think). I never realized that comparing two cameras would be so complicated.

To my rough eye, it looks like the 7D2 has lower noise than the 7D by maybe 1/2 or 2/3 stop. That is not really that much. So my conclusion for now is that I will keep my 7D, and that prices for used 7D bodies should rise.

Yes. It looks like 7D I body prices are going to rise now that it's been noted that the noise levels aren't that much lower.

CRCchemist wrote in post #17187126
Yes. It looks like 7D I body prices are going to rise now that it's been noted that the noise levels aren't that much lower.

Sort of like it did when the 5DIII came out.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17187120
It won't be available until Thanksgiving, ...

Woo! Thanksgiving is Oct 13.

7dmk2 is no longer a consideration for me. Canon...good luck on 7dmk3

Archibald wrote in post #17187134
Woo! Thanksgiving is Oct 13.

Okay then, happy hour is in full swing I see...

Interesting stuff, TS. However, I'll be much more interested to see what you may be able to do with your own shots and then processing. I don't have a lot of faith in the folks producing pre-release images like these to be doing the best they can in producing results.

This certainly isn't scientific and nothing like TeamSpeed's comparison, but I find the 7DII files a lot easier to work with than files from my 60D. I worked with the limitation of comparing the posted 7DII shots to my own 60D and 6D shots, all at 6400. I found the 7DII files a lot easier to clean up, and suffered less from noise reduction than files from my 60D. I also worked with some shots from my 6D. My guestimation at the results is that the 7DII is a lot closer to the 6D than the 60D, when all 3 are at ISO 6400. I'd place the 7DII at 1/2 to 2/3 of the way to 6D. Please keep in mind that I don't usually work in DPP. I prefer LR 4, but it doesn't work with 7DII files.

Quick question. You're comparing at nearly identical image sizes, but the 7D2 has more resolution. What happens when you do both at 100%?

Those are direct from IR, the 7d2 items are just a tad larger than the 7d. 20 vs 18mpx isn't going to do much for iq, really, is it?

I guess I'll ask who has better RAW APS-C high ISO noise than this 7DmkII right now? I don't know of any camera that does.

You guys seem to have been under the impression that Canon would somehow magically make a 1.6x crop sensor act like a FF one.

I think it is more like dispelling that myth. Whichever, it seems to be quite apparent that the 7DII presents a better noise profile than the 7D, or the 60D I played with. I can't wait to get the LR upgrade that will let me play with 7DII files. I am more comfortable with that program than DPP.