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Oct 25, 2014 08:38 |  #136

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17230601 (external link)
DPReview just added the 7D2 to their studio compare tool. Look at ISO 6400 from Sony A6000 vs the 7D, 7D2 and 5D3... ;)

From what I can tell, the A6000 handily beats all of Canon's crop-sensor cameras. Am I missing something?


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Oct 25, 2014 09:46 |  #137

gabebalazs wrote in post #17230983 (external link)
Thanks for the link Paul.
Now I can sleep without worries. :)
Most of what I shoot with my 5DIII (ISO 1600-3200 low light event stuff) has about the same DR as the Nikon D750. Every other measurement category are very close between these 3 cameras.

But no doubt, the 750 sensor is really good, based on the samples I've seen

I'm not bashing the 5D3 or the 6D. They are excellent cameras. But I do a lot of landscape shooting and I'm needing more DR than the canons can provide. :(

It's sad too because I really like the ergonomics and menu system of the canons. I suppose I'll have to get used to a new system.


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Oct 25, 2014 11:46 |  #138

mclaren777 wrote in post #17232231 (external link)
From what I can tell, the A6000 handily beats all of Canon's crop-sensor cameras. Am I missing something?

Not at high ISO, it doesn't, at least not from the raws at DPReview. I posted the samples earlier. The 7D from 2009 looks better even at ISO 6400.


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Oct 25, 2014 21:10 |  #139

ptcanon3ti wrote in post #17230771 (external link)
I haven't read all the way through this thread. But I just wish all the canon users would vote for change with their wallets. canon would do something then.

I have, and so have many others on here. You've been vocal on here for quite some time that Canon isn't doing it for you for what you shoot. You still have a full Canon line up in your sig though :p


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Oct 25, 2014 21:50 |  #140

h14nha wrote in post #17233139 (external link)
I have, and so have many others on here. You've been vocal on here for quite some time that Canon isn't doing it for you for what you shoot. You still have a full Canon line up in your sig though :p

Patience Grasshopper.

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Oct 25, 2014 21:58 |  #141

ptcanon3ti wrote in post #17231034 (external link)
DXO is an independent lab. The numbers are real. You're probably just stunned at the poor results for canon.

The high ISO numbers are quite misleading because of the the way they're calculated. Look at the actual SNR and dynamic range at high ISO for a more realistic picture of what's going on.


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Oct 25, 2014 22:58 |  #142

gabebalazs wrote in post #17230217 (external link)
Another thing worth mentioning is that the 6D is closer to the nominal ISOs, while the Sony is worse (e.g. ISO 800 is ISO 616 on the 6D and ISO 439 on the Sony. That's a significant difference.)

I don't believe that there is a better or worse for the comparison of how close the RAW ISO matches the nominal ISO. It's just a choice the manufacturer makes to get the best image from a particular sensor once converted to jpeg. The jpeg ISO and nominal ISO match each other.


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Oct 26, 2014 00:04 |  #143

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17232455 (external link)
Not at high ISO, it doesn't, at least not from the raws at DPReview. I posted the samples earlier. The 7D from 2009 looks better even at ISO 6400.

I think the A6000 looks better than both of the 7Ds, both at low ISO and high, both in RAW and JPEG.

It's possible that the 7D2 might look better in Lightroom once it gets updated, but I really doubt it will.


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Oct 26, 2014 01:30 |  #144

ptcanon3ti wrote in post #17232313 (external link)
I'm not bashing the 5D3 or the 6D. They are excellent cameras. But I do a lot of landscape shooting and I'm needing more DR than the canons can provide. :(

It's sad too because I really like the ergonomics and menu system of the canons. I suppose I'll have to get used to a new system.


For landscape shooting the Nikon wins hands down. Higher resolution and better DR will trump the 5DIII any day. However HDR photography has really become a useful tool in creating nice landscapes with good DR even with the 5DIII. I don't mean the plastic looking HDR renders, but rather the realistic renders that just look like DR of film days.


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Oct 26, 2014 01:55 |  #145

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For landscape shooting the Nikon wins hands down. Higher resolution and better DR will trump the 5DIII any day. However HDR photography has really become a useful tool in creating nice landscapes with good DR even with the 5DIII. I don't mean the plastic looking HDR renders, but rather the realistic renders that just look like DR of film days.

:) Like this?

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ALL of my landscapes in the past 1 1/2 years have been HDR like this. That's the only way I can get by at all. I don't even label them as HDR anymore.

I see you have a D800E. What do you use it for?

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Oct 26, 2014 05:23 |  #146

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I think the A6000 looks better than both of the 7Ds, both at low ISO and high, both in RAW and JPEG.

It's possible that the 7D2 might look better in Lightroom once it gets updated, but I really doubt it will.

It doesn't on my tablet, the Sony noise is much more prevalent in the dpreview samples I posted for iso 6400. The lesser displays I have elsewhere show it too, to a lesser degree.


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Oct 26, 2014 12:04 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #147

I shoot a 6D for indoor volleyball. I would be surprised to see better cleaner high ISO from another camera.

This one was shot at 12800 ISO, a little sharpening in LR, but no NR.

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Clean and sharp right out of the camera. This whole business of under exposing and bringing it up in post is silly. I can shoot high ISO at correct exposure and it looks great. I am very happy. I can't imagine spending another $1500-$2000 for another camera that you have to under purposely under expose to compete with a camera that is a 3rd of the price. I bet I know my 6D better and can get better results than most with these newer more expensive cameras.

Like the old saying goes, "It's not the hammer, it's the carpenter." I would guess people with these older 5D mkii's and older are getting better photographic results than people that are so hung up on specs of each new model and focus more on technique and correct exposures.

I found that of all of the camera models I have owned, the biggest improvement in IQ was not the camera at all, it was the lenses.

IMHO the Canon 70-200mm 2.8 is a difference maker for me that really has no answer from any other company. My pics have never been sharper and balanced as when I got this lens. It will improve any camera you put it on.

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Oct 26, 2014 13:22 |  #148

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I shoot a 6D for indoor volleyball. I would be surprised to see better cleaner high ISO from another camera.

This one was shot at 12800 ISO, a little sharpening in LR, but no NR.


Clean and sharp right out of the camera. This whole business of under exposing and bringing it up in post is silly. I can shoot high ISO at correct exposure and it looks great. I am very happy. I can't imagine spending another $1500-$2000 for another camera that you have to under purposely under expose to compete with a camera that is a 3rd of the price. I bet I know my 6D better and can get better results than most with these newer more expensive cameras.

Like the old saying goes, "It's not the hammer, it's the carpenter." I would guess people with these older 5D mkii's and older are getting better photographic results than people that are so hung up on specs of each new model and focus more on technique and correct exposures.

I found that of all of the camera models I have owned, the biggest improvement in IQ was not the camera at all, it was the lenses.

IMHO the Canon 70-200mm 2.8 is a difference maker for me that really has no answer from any other company. My pics have never been sharper and balanced as when I got this lens. It will improve any camera you put it on.

Dave


It's good that the 6D 70-200 2.8 works for your needs. As I've said about a hundred times now, in various threads, the 6D contains Canon's BEST sensor.

There is nothing silly about underexposing a landscape shot, and bringing UP shadows and blacks in post. If shooting a single frame landscape that contains any bright sky at all, most people will expose for the highlights and allow the shadows to fall where they may. This keeps sky color/detail. Then, in post, shadows need to be "pulled up" to expose the "hidden" details. Have you ever opened Canon shadows in post? I have...it's pretty fugly.


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Oct 26, 2014 13:52 |  #149

Another issue with HDR are long exposure's. You don't want to do a 60 second exposure followed by a 15 second and 4 minute if you can avoid it. Time is NOT on your side when interesting light shows up, it's pretty scarce.

There's a lot of scrambling during sunset and sunrise, and landscapes can get quite hectic.


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Oct 26, 2014 14:04 |  #150

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I'm not bashing the 5D3 or the 6D. They are excellent cameras. But I do a lot of landscape shooting and I'm needing more DR than the canons can provide. :(

It's sad too because I really like the ergonomics and menu system of the canons. I suppose I'll have to get used to a new system.

For landscape shots, especially the way you do it (one shot, low ISO) definitely the Nikon/Sony is better. No question about it. I'm totally fine with that.

What I'm not fine at all is, and this is not aimed at you, when I hear generalized statements that the Nikon/Sony is better in any situation. Just because it is better at low ISO DR? Again, it has it's advantages at low ISO, hence the better DxO score. But once you reach an ISO (800-1600 depending on model), the DR advantage is gone.
I shot about 1500 shots at a wedding last night, only about 10% was below ISO 800. So to me the Nikon/Sony DR advantage at low ISO means pretty much nothing. Landscapers think the exact opposite, and I'm fine with that too.

So the bottom line is, and it has been said many times, whether one is better or worse than the other is dependent on the intended use. Generalizing is not going to work. It's almost like saying blondes are better looking than brunettes. :) Crepes are better than pancakes. Apples are better than oranges :)


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