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Scott Kelby's take on 7D mark II after real world use

 
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Oct 07, 2014 17:00 |  #31

Brian_R wrote in post #17199697 (external link)
since when was 1/1000 shutter the slowest possible shutter to freeze sports action? is this a new thing because i have definitely froze action shooting soccer at 1/500

I agree completely with him. Sure you can get a few shots here and there of action frozen at 1/500th, but I guarantee you that if you shoot enough action and need 200-500 shots of the game, a very small % will be detailed at 1/500th. My personal minimum is 1/1250th. Now that I have more ISO headroom, I will go up to 1/1600th.

Getting detailed stop action of sports is as varied as lighting conditions for any given shoot, it is various, both in the action for AF and the speed for shutter.


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Oct 07, 2014 17:20 |  #32

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17199836 (external link)
Funny about that, I think it used to be the other way around for both of them.

Money talks :) and makes people talk about what you want them to talk about and how you want them to talk about it. They are nothing but paid company spokesmen.

I am not saying its a bad camera at all. I really like it, but would never by one.
Close to the same IQ as the 70D I already own and vast improvement in areas that really don't help with what I shoot. I think it will sell great and be a great camera for everybody that thinks they need 65 focus points and 10 fps. Whether they really do or not :)




  
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Oct 07, 2014 17:21 |  #33

koala yummies wrote in post #17199862 (external link)
Much respect for him. No whining and crying over and over about dynamic range, just great photo after great photo. That's what cameras are for. No test charts, no pointless pixel peeping. Shot two major events with an untested-to-him pre-production camera he had never used before.

Many a internet forum photographer wouldn't go outside without shooting a focal, viewing at 100% and calling B&H to return it for another 'copy'. Gotta MFA before I can use it. Gotta shoot some cats and children's dolls in my residence before I can trust it at my cousins wedding. Were sony or exxon mobil sensors mentioned even once?

the sensors (sony A77 ii) were mentioned at the end and quickly deflected ;)

something along the lines of not enough lenses, not a consideration. Dynamic range was also mentioned at the end, and promptly deflected :D , not a chart type of guy or something to that effect.


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Oct 07, 2014 17:28 |  #34

Scott cares more about the content of the photos and much less about the 100% pixel quality. That is obvious in his materials. I fully hope to get to the point I can set up my cameras properly up front, and use the JPGs as is, maybe with a little tweaking than to go through all the raw rigamarole. It should be very possible with today's cameras. I was able to use about 40% of the JPGs at my last wedding shoot. I have a few things I need to watch the next time, and will create that checklist to not forget again when I go out.

I am also going to look into Photo Mechanic. I like the reviews of how fast it is to zip around and view all your files, cull quickly, arrange etc, then go edit later.


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Oct 07, 2014 17:42 |  #35

i will buy this camera but not now
not for sport or wildlife
for the high iso and the concrete body


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Oct 07, 2014 17:51 |  #36

Charlie wrote in post #17199975 (external link)
the sensors (sony A77 ii) were mentioned at the end and quickly deflected ;)

something along the lines of not enough lenses, not a consideration. Dynamic range was also mentioned at the end, and promptly deflected :D , not a chart type of guy or something to that effect.

Oh yeah ok I missed it as it's at the very last minute. "It's a lot, it's good, pictures look purdy." :lol:


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Oct 07, 2014 18:40 |  #37

wow so much dislike for the guy. unlike some I watched the whole video (at work yea not busy at the moment) Anyway sure the video could have been cut down to to the bare facts. but you know that can be said about lot of the videos.

I found the video to be interesting, he's using a preproduction model (I'm sure not much is going to change between the what he was using and what gets released) so when he used the camera no raw converter was available. I had a look at the examples on the site and they looked fine to me even at 100%. I wouldn't have any issues from the output from this camera. if I didn't want to go full frame then and I still had the 40D then yea I would think about this camera.

He may have brushed over some topics but if hasn't used the sony or if he doesn't care about DR and gets the correct exposure right in the camera first time then to him it doesn't matter. he's honest about the relationship he has with Canon, he used to be Nikon and changed his mind. He's not hiding it and to be honest your a fool to think that any of the photographers that post videos online aren't advertising something for someone. this world cost money and that has to come from somewhere.

If you really want an honest review get two cameras and test it out yourself. Come up with your own conclusions and stick with the camera you like.


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Oct 07, 2014 22:44 |  #38

I liked the video personally. It's a breath of fresh are to stop the ranting about the specs of the sensor and talk about real world use. I completely disagree that the 5D3 is a terrible sports camera. Bought mine for that coming from a 1D series, and it has very similar AF to the 1DX and now 7D2. I am not a burst guy so the fps wasn't a show stopper for me. I agree that this puts a near 1DX experience in the hands of soccer moms. I intend to buy one and keep my 5D3, they seem like the perfect pair. The 5D3 is my indoor sports body, and this will get me back going for field sports. Can't wait to try one.


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Oct 07, 2014 22:56 |  #39

5D3 is a decent sports camera. I missed on the FPS and the buffer sucks and the SD card slot sucks, but the focus is almost as good as you will get with Canon. I shot an entire season of MLB/NFL/NBA/NCAAF with it and it was pretty successful. Got me an ESPN Magazine cover.


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Oct 08, 2014 00:06 |  #40

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #17200587 (external link)
5D3 is a decent sports camera. I missed on the FPS and the buffer sucks and the SD card slot sucks, but the focus is almost as good as you will get with Canon. I shot an entire season of MLB/NFL/NBA/NCAAF with it and it was pretty successful. Got me an ESPN Magazine cover.

That's pretty good I'd say!


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Oct 08, 2014 01:27 |  #41

I looked at the video and I had cramps in my stomach. I just cannot take this guy seriously. I'm not even sure he knew which DSLR he is talking about (24MP), then he was like "we dared shooting at ISO800, even at ISO1000 and OH MY GOD, *jizz in his pants* OH MY GOD YOU GAIS, it's unbelievable!!". I would like to see some badly lit sports at ISO3200-ISO6400.

Sure he posted, again "OH MY GOD YOU GAIS, 16.000 ISO of nipples", but at fast moving subjects in poorly lit conditions.. this is where it all comes down to what it can do.


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Oct 08, 2014 01:36 |  #42

whothafunk wrote in post #17200776 (external link)
I looked at the video and I had cramps in my stomach. I just cannot take this guy seriously. I'm not even sure he knew which DSLR he is talking about (24MP), then he was like "we dared shooting at ISO800, even at ISO1000 and OH MY GOD, *jizz in his pants* OH MY GOD YOU GAIS, it's unbelievable!!". I would like to see some badly lit sports at ISO3200-ISO6400.

Sure he posted, again "OH MY GOD YOU GAIS, 16.000 ISO of nipples", but at fast moving subjects in poorly lit conditions.. this is where it all comes down to what it can do.

kelby is good company, that's just how he does things. Back during his Nikon days, he would lug around the 28-300 vr, and get pretty good results from it. He's the master of photoshop, but I take it he simply doesnt pixel peep much. His high ISO comparison is a bit comical since he's never even used the 7Dc, so not much of a reference point. He also doesnt peep much, so saying the it's the best he's used is comical as well.


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Oct 08, 2014 06:46 |  #43

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I take it he simply doesnt pixel peep much.

Imagine the Zen-like peace some people might experience if they followed this example! :)


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Oct 08, 2014 06:51 |  #44

The pixel level quality just isn't all that important for how many photos are published/shared. It is literally an OCD condition with photographers, propagated through forums. The only time noise or pixel level quality is an issue is when you submit a photo to a contest or organization, and they decline it for such a reason. Even with weddings, people are so conditioned by phone cameras, that any photo from a DSLR, even a noisy one, looks great to them.

So that next $1500 wedding, noisy pics and all, they are happy, and I have the cash... Who cares what the folks on a forum might think about something at the 100% level? :)


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Oct 08, 2014 07:03 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #45

I watched the whole video and have to say that it seems right on the button for me. In summary, and they hit the spot, if you're a pro shooter for action then the 1Dx is thee go to, however, if you're shooting your kids sports or amateur action stuff, then this is well placed.

I don't think it did many favours showing the images on the screen because to me they were soft. It's probably going to be faster than my 5D3 but I'd rather jump to a 1DIV or 1Dx from here on in and forget about the prosumer series.




  
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